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#295713 - 10/24/06 01:37 PM Re: Throwing a spinning side kick [Re: Twisted]
schanne Offline
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Never heard of a spinning side kick, do you mean turning side kick as left foot is forward in fighting stance and you turn counter clockwise and execute a side kick with your right leg?
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#295714 - 10/24/06 01:49 PM Re: Throwing a spinning side kick [Re: schanne]
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Schanne,

I guess it is a question of title. I had not heard of a spinning side kick, but in the style I would practice, this would be a turning back kick, since the mechanics would be the same.

I think the problem is that a Back Kick is often described as a kick straight back impacting with the heel...much like a horse would kick. I have seen this, but do not personally use it, despite its efficacy.

On the other hand, whether you call the kick a turning or spinning side kick, the mechanics would have to be the same.

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#295715 - 10/24/06 02:03 PM Re: Throwing a spinning side kick [Re: butterfly]
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The mechanics are the same except one is more full extended and the turn is longer to produce a side kick after turning. Insted of the 180 degree turn for the back kick its more 3/4 turn.
Its a strong kick just too wide open.

The blade of foot almost leveled with the floor rather then the toes mostly pointing down. At a glance it looks the same.


Edited by Neko456 (10/24/06 02:06 PM)
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#295716 - 10/24/06 06:36 PM Re: Throwing a spinning side kick [Re: Neko456]
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A "spinning" side-kick sounds as odd as squid ice cream.

I'm familiar w/ turning & spinning back-kicks. The trajectory for a turning b-k is strait in while a spinning b-k is circular. The spinning hook-kick is a variation of the b-k.

And that's the problem w/ a spinning s-k. Expecting the momentum to change from circular to strait is bad mechanics because nothing is gained - no power, no speed, just a "wow factor" from the kids watching.

Unless there's a kick I haven't seen yet, it's just squid ice cream to me.

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#295717 - 10/24/06 08:13 PM Re: Throwing a spinning side kick [Re: BrianS]
Chen Zen Offline
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I know Brian. Its no biggie. I was foolin off myself. But since i said it I must now back it up. The technique itself is quiet powerful. Perhaps the most powerful of any kick so why would I say not to use it? Well, a few reasons I suppose. One would be that horrible word, "turning" or "spinning" . To me this implies that your back is exposed. Never a good thing. It also implies that your eyes are not upon your enemy. Also not good for me. The second reason is that it leaves you with little options for defense if you miss. If you miss he has your back. If he grapples with skill you are in huge trouble. Suppose he doesnt grapple. You are still in big trouble. Your spine and base of skull are at risk as well as your balance. As far as attacking him again before he gets you what do you have? Not much more than a spinning backfist or elbow and thats the first thing I expect and what I would want from my opponent. This makes it easier to pick him apart, IMO. Perhaps Im wrong, though I doubt it.

But to each his own. I dont train for kata or belt systems so something like this isnt a priority for me. I just like to mess around with you karateka. Always so serious!
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#295718 - 10/25/06 09:52 AM Re: Throwing a spinning side kick [Re: hedkikr]
Ironfoot Offline
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Registered: 06/10/04
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Quote:

... Expecting the momentum to change from circular to strait is bad mechanics because nothing is gained - no power, no speed, just a "wow factor" from the kids watching.
..




Ain't it the truth. My daughter's first boyfriend was a BB from a McDojo. Showed me his butterfly kick, which was a jumping, spinning side kick. When asked if all that added any power, he answered "No, but it's just cool".
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#295719 - 10/25/06 01:37 PM Re: Throwing a spinning side kick [Re: Chen Zen]
Neko456 Offline
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It doesn't matter if he grapples or not if you set it up or hurt him then hit it with it or so he lest expected it. Its a damaging kick ass technique ask your buddy MMAist (I'm a fan of his, very skilled standin & ground) Vitor Belfort, drop him like its hot fight over, pretty much.

Thats what I've experience vs. people that are not in as good as shape as Vitor but still thought they were tough.
The spin back kick (I'm still not a fan of the SS) is the body slam of kicks, its the RNC of standing kicks. I've seen people get their ribs broke just sparring with it & knocked over tables with it!!!

Used properly and at the right time it's far more powerful then your left hook, if you can imagine that Chen.
Ask Vitor Belfort next time you see him .


Edited by Neko456 (10/25/06 01:50 PM)

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#295720 - 10/25/06 03:38 PM Re: Throwing a spinning side kick [Re: Neko456]
Chen Zen Offline
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I know its strong Neko, I said so. However, power isnt everthing. Setting it up may work in sparring but in reality, it doesnt always work. And when it doesnt, you're in a bad bad way. Whether he grapples or not.
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