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#295396 - 10/24/06 08:30 PM Re: Your Views .... Please [Re: Kempoman]
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Registered: 03/26/02
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This guy (Osbourne) sent me a video of him doing repeated Knockouts to one student over and over and over again with no care for the well being of his student, In the end of this sickening display his student could hardly stand!

I told Osbourne that I thought what he was doing was extremely dangerous. We are not friends. I wanted others points of views on his practices.
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#295397 - 10/25/06 09:40 AM Re: Your Views .... Please [Re: Tsuruken]
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That is reassuring. Thanks. I was so bothered by the clip that I wanted to post a couple of my own practice KO clips for comparision, particularly since young practitioners, many without instruction or supervision may try to duplicate what they see here. I realize I'm not presenting seminars or anything- just a little underdog here but principles still apply.

1) Practice KOs are just that- PRACTICE- no extra credit for harming uke. Ideally, uke should have no injury, headache or nausea after.

2) A KO can be done MUCH lighter. The emphasis should be on technique: point location, angle, direction, set-up, quality of strike transferring energy. It shouldn't be about force.

3) In my clips, that I am not going to post, there was clearly communication with uke. He knew what was coming and had input into where he didn't want to get hit and how.

4) Also, and granted I was not presenting a seminar but just a student working on my own level, I was SUPERVISED! I say this because someone may try to duplicate the KO in that horrible clip. I had 5 qualified Kyusho International Instructors present. All approved of what I planned to do, saw a walk through of it and deemed it appropriate for my skill level and safe. The 2 people I KO'd are instructors.

5) Just a plea. To any reader thinking of attempting that technique- Please don't duplicate those neck strikes without qualified instruction and supervision. This forum attracts people of all skill levels. I wouldn't want a novice attempting that. You can't learn KOs from clips or magazine articals. You need hands on personal instruction.
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#295398 - 10/25/06 09:00 PM Re: Your Views .... Please [Re: underdog]
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*POST DELETED*

You posted asking for opinions on the clip. This has been given. Please don't use this forum as a staging ground for a campaign against him. With this in mind I have deleted this post containing the gentlemen in questions contact details. I'm sure those that feel strongly enough about the clip will have no trouble contacting him.

Kind regards,

Gav


Edited by Gavin (10/26/06 05:59 AM)
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#295399 - 10/26/06 10:56 AM Re: Your Views .... Please [Re: Tsuruken]
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Ron,

I get so tired of being right.

Aren't you tired of getting run off from every martial arts forum for just this type of activity? This is so par for the course for you.

You hide behind your monitor and attack other martial artists and never have the balls enough to actually go and work it out face to face.

You are the absolute last person to be throwing stones at people (or do you need to be reminded?).

Dude, you've got grey hair...its time to grow up.



...good catch Gav.


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#295400 - 10/26/06 11:20 AM Re: Your Views .... Please [Re: Kempoman]
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Safe to say I think this thread has run it's course! *Clickedly Click goes the key!* I'll re-open this thread only if either of the idiot's in the clip decide they want to try and justify the training method. Til then I'll close this thread leaving on the the advice you should receive when thinking of getting an Uke for Christmas "A good Uke is for life... not just for a quick beating!


Edited by Gavin (10/26/06 11:22 AM)
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