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#295210 - 10/20/06 12:45 PM oppinions on matt hughes
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just wondering. ithink matt is one of the best mma's but he is one of the most arrogant person i have ever seen. being that good at what you do i think would be humbling. what do you guys/girls think?
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#295211 - 10/20/06 02:51 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: 5353]
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Doesn't seem that arrogant to me, he always says that he will win before a fight, but every fighter does that. After each fight he compliments the other fighter in some way shape or forum.
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#295212 - 10/20/06 03:08 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Spade]
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not about winning just the way he carries himself.
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#295213 - 10/20/06 04:02 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: 5353]
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He backs up his mouth with skill in the cage so I can't hate him for that.

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#295214 - 10/20/06 09:51 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: bo-ken]
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I think he's a good all around guy. You have to act with some confidence and an almost arrogant air...it messes with your opponent in my experience.
He's a great fighter anyway, and can definitely back up his talk as has been said.
watch wrestlers they all pretty much walk with arrogance.
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#295215 - 10/20/06 10:06 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Spade]
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Doesn't seem that arrogant to me, he always says that he will win before a fight, but every fighter does that. After each fight he compliments the other fighter in some way shape or forum.




you apparently didn't see the last episode of the ultimate fighter. I'll sum up one of the conversations

(the setting is a sushi restaurant where matt hughes has decided to take all of the fighters and trainers. George St.Pierre has been helping these guys train since day one, Matt Hughes is a week long guest coach. GSP is not staying close to Hughes because he knows they will be fighting and doesnt want to get buddy buddy at all)

Matt: Hey Georgie boy, why are you avoiding me? (said with that matt hughes trademark smug grin)

GSP: I'm not avoiding you (said with that "english as a second language" confusion of what is going on)

Matt: How bout we train later, you could teach me something
(sarcastic)

GSP: I'll teach you something if you teach me something (trying to salvage something civil out of a confrontational exchange)

Matt: How about I teach you a little arm-bar defense?



That, my friends, is a grade-A, first class jerkface in action.

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#295216 - 10/20/06 11:13 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Borrek]
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I think it's more than a little absurd to draw an opinion of someone without knowing him personally.

What you see on TV isn't always real, just like everything in print isn't always true.


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#295217 - 10/21/06 03:18 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: 5353]
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How he projects himself is a measured decision. Remember Dana White has dropped people like Lindland for not being 'entertaining', despite the fact that he was winning and a real contender.
Hughes gets everyone talking (proved by this thread). I look beyond the smack talk pre-fight, and see how he has his brother in his corner, how he is always gracious regarding his oponent after the fight, and how his skill and toughness have made him the champion he is today.

Does he get in trouble for assaulting police officers in bar brawls (Penn)? No.

Does he lose so badly that he takes a swing at the ref (Baroni)? No

Does he 'dig a grave' at the feet of his still unconscious oponent as he gets medical care (Ortiz)? No

He has been at the top for a long time now, his only real threat, BJ Penn couldn't put him down, and then tore his abs open with the effort of trying to choke him out, and he toughed it out.

I think we might all become a little brash in his position.
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#295218 - 10/21/06 04:19 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Borrek]
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I always found him a little arrogant but I cannot deny that he is a good fighter. I did watch this episode and agree that Matt was trying to get his digs in with GSP. I think Matt can be a A-Class A-Hole but so can others I guess.
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#295219 - 10/21/06 10:36 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: 5353]
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I agree with Matt Cera he is a typicall jock. Very competitive as he is an athlete. Likes to stur the pot a lot. Very skillful and powerful that goes w/o saying. Seriouly lacks stand up skills in my opinion.
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#295220 - 10/21/06 10:57 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: TeK9]
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hes a bit arrogant maybe but hes a good allround fighter, you dont really know what hes like behind closed doors whenever people ask me about a fight i always say im going to win but deep down i am preparing myself.

you have to have confidence in what you do and he could just be playing up anyway, we all say stupid stuff sometimes to and he may just be trying to play on georges mind.

anyway what goes up must come down and maybe he will be sad and lonley someday then he will have only himself to deal with
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#295221 - 10/21/06 02:07 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Tom2199]
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i do think he is a really great fighter but ,this is my pet peeve, shoul'nt he be more humble because of how good he is? one trains not only for protection but to show people less knowledgable on ma ( kids ) the right way to carry yourself. i don't think he respects his OP and the way he acts proves it. you don't se the repect aspect of ma hardly anymore.
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#295222 - 10/21/06 02:12 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: 5353]
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Matt Hughes is not a Martial Artist ... he is a fighter which is a different thing and different mindset.
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#295223 - 10/22/06 09:35 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Dereck]
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That's a wrestler for ya. We've all acted liek that. I think he's really probably a great guy personally but just likes to stir things up A. to stay in the game and be entertaining and B. becuase he's feeding his confidence and playing psych. warfare with his opponents. Usually he seems pretty cool after the fights. He actually seems less arrogant than most wrestlers.
Lindlan got thrown out becuase he's not entertaining?
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#295224 - 10/23/06 12:27 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Stormdragon]
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If you and your co-workers went out you can not tell me that some ribbing is going to go on. So why is he a @#@ if he jokes with people? I thought it was unprofessional of GSP to leave and to not be in the same room with Matt. I wonder how much of this was scripted.
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#295225 - 10/23/06 01:27 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: jc4199]
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I think GSP did the right thing. He is training these guys so why would he stay so that Matt could see many of his training tips? What I find difficult about this show is that these fighters have to live in the house together but they end up fighting each other. My own Instructor says he would find it extremely difficult because you are trying to get into a different mind set about fighting and being with that person would make it difficult. These guys don't have the luxury of leaving and must deal with it but GSP did have the luxury of doing it and exercised his right to do so.

I would not fault GSP for leaving, I'm sure there is more going on that meets the eye ... and probably so with Matt Hughes as well. Plus Matt seems to like to rib people and egg them on where as GSP is not like this. I'm sure GSP in his own circle does his own ribbing but why would he want to get chummy with somebody he wants to beat and take his belt?
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#295226 - 10/23/06 04:52 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Stormdragon]
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Lindlan got thrown out becuase he's not entertaining?




Rich Franklin was up and coming, young, popular with the girls, liked to do a bit of stand up striking. He would be a very popular champion, and very marketable for Dana White.

Lindland's style looks messy, his fights stay on the floor for ages, he doesn't interview too great straight after the fight, and he looks like Kane from the WWE if his head had been caught in a vice as a child. He also stood a very good chance of beating Franklin.

To what I understand, White stopped offering lindland pay per view fights, and despite his winning ways, stalled on offering him a championship fight, forcing Lindland to look elsewhere for his fighting career. This left Franklin with not having to face a very serious obstacle in his path to getting his belt.

Gladiators have always had to please the crowd to ensure their survival.
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#295227 - 10/23/06 06:35 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Cord]
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Cord wrote
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Rich Franklin was up and coming, young, popular with the girls, liked to do a bit of stand up striking. He would be a very popular champion, and very marketable for Dana White.






Bingo, right answer! Cord you just nailed it man. I said a long time ago that the only reason White got rid of Lindland is because he was the only threat to his poster boy Franklin. He wanted Franklin to rule for a long time. Like you said, he was very marketable.

So NOW what does White want? At this point, he'll take anyone as a champion that will SPEAK ENGLISH!!! And IN steps Lindland. Lindland has the ability to do the job and in my opinion, would have beaten DOWN Franklin (and of course, White knew this as well).


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Lindland's style looks messy, his fights stay on the floor for ages, he doesn't interview too great straight after the fight, and he looks like Kane from the WWE if his head had been caught in a vice as a child. He also stood a very good chance of beating Franklin.

To what I understand, White stopped offering lindland pay per view fights, and despite his winning ways, stalled on offering him a championship fight, forcing Lindland to look elsewhere for his fighting career. This left Franklin with not having to face a very serious obstacle in his path to getting his belt.

Gladiators have always had to please the crowd to ensure their survival.





Well said. I heard that Lindland was initially let go for a technicality involving a t-shirt.

White was looking for ANY reason to sever ties with Lindland.

The fact that this has everything to do with marketing and money, should tell you everything you really need to know about White and the UFC.

The problem for Dana is, you can run but you can't hide forever. Eventually someone will step in and turn over your little apple cart.

I DO give him props for signing Silva. For the life of me though, I can't figure out why he did it. He must have had a lot of faith in Franklin.

Now the excuses flew that Franklin was suffering from flu-like symptoms before the fight. I'd like to see a rematch. I believe he is owed one.


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#295228 - 10/25/06 12:33 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Dereck]
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I think GSP did the right thing. He is training these guys so why would he stay so that Matt could see many of his training tips?




But he also would have seen some of Matts. Matt could have asked about what GSP was doing with his students.

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What I find difficult about this show is that these fighters have to live in the house together but they end up fighting each other. My own Instructor says he would find it extremely difficult because you are trying to get into a different mind set about fighting and being with that person would make it difficult.




I can see where you are coming from there but why can two guys not like each other and fight. What would happen if some one who trains at the same place you train at was the camp and you got a shot at his title?

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These guys don't have the luxury of leaving and must deal with it but GSP did have the luxury of doing it and exercised his right to do so.




I would not have wanted to leave I want to learn form who ever will teach me and Matt is a great fighter.

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I would not fault GSP for leaving, I'm sure there is more going on that meets the eye ... and probably so with Matt Hughes as well. Plus Matt seems to like to rib people and egg them on where as GSP is not like this. I'm sure GSP in his own circle does his own ribbing but why would he want to get chummy with somebody he wants to beat and take his belt?




I bet they are both great guys and Matt was there because he was told to be there by his boss. GSP left I do not think any thing less of him for leaving but I would like to think that I would have stayed.
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#295229 - 10/26/06 08:03 AM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: jc4199]
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Matt being a great fighter, I beg to differ here. Though he is great at what he knows best. There is still some flaws in his fighting game and GSP may can exploit them. Matt's strength and power gets his ass out of alot of trouble which is fine with me but if someone comes along that matches up with his wrestling and has a better striking game than you will see him get beat.

In the UFC I really don't think these guys should be getting title matches as fast as they do. There records are low compared to boxing champions, Muay thai champions etc.

I would have like to see Anderson Silva fight a few more fights in the UFC before he got a title match because that would have given us more to look at and size up the fighters better. That clearly shows that Dana is working for the Fans but too bad it gotten Franklin's nose broken. "You just don't step into the ring with Ali because you think you can box" (Fast and the Furious )

I really don't think Franklin will ever beat Silva plain and simple.
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#295230 - 10/26/06 02:57 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Tom2199]
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One bad a$$ dude, probably got the big head. But it ain't bragging if its true. Conditioning and range training is the key he come along way since being submitted with a standing choke years back.
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#295231 - 10/26/06 08:43 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: Eveal]
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People said Liddell just wouldn't beat Couture plain and simple. If you say anything like that you don't know MMA very well.

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#295232 - 10/27/06 04:33 PM Re: oppinions on matt hughes [Re: migo]
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People said Liddell just wouldn't beat Couture plain and simple. If you say anything like that you don't know MMA very well.




I know all I need to know about the MMA and I am just stating my opinion nothing more so your statement holds no weight on anything.

Think about it everyone has the "chance" to win once they step in the ring with another fighter but its just not going to happen if your training is not on the same level as the guy standing infront of you. Silva's thai boxing is freaking "THAI BOXING" none of this half way mediocre crap that alot of the MMA guys think they know so of course Franklin was not able and will never be able to stand up with him. Better hope he brings in his ground game next time but as the fighter Silva is I am sure he will be waiting on the shots.
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