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#294800 - 10/19/06 10:24 AM Two 'schools' of karate
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A little different post. Usually, we discuss the differences between Japanese/Okinawan, or Shorin/Shurei (sp?), or Traditional/nontraditional, or good/bad, or hard/soft. I'd like to explore the idea that there are really two schools of karate and they depend on the practicioner: good person karate and bad person karate.

If you think about it...karate is karate. It involves gruesome techniques...and can be quite...dirty...in it's applications. The only real difference...is the person.

'A true martial artist is gentle and humble'. What are your thoughts?

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#294801 - 10/19/06 11:46 AM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: harlan]
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Harlan,

I think part of that is true and hopefully good technique coupled with outstanding charcter happen to coincide. Unfortunately, the character part is the hardest to discern and may not be shown until some time later.

Technique, you can pretty well see right off the top. But I don't know...I can probably deal with an honest, irritating personality that has good skills than a person who is very kind and warm, but is still a crappy technician.

Now, I might want my kids to learn manners from the guy who is sweet and nice, but I would rather them get technical training from the individual who knows how to use those skills.

Also, depends on the rank of a-hole any individual rates on my scale. At a certain point, despite technique....a person is not worth hanging around if they are that much of a goof-up.

-B

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#294802 - 10/19/06 11:56 AM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: butterfly]
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Sure...many are willing to say they have to 'take the good with the bad'. Personal gain, self-interest, 'optimizing strategies'...we find ways to justify training in less than perfect situations. But down the road? To be known as someone who trained under a person of poor character...it does count.


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At a certain point, despite technique....a person is not worth hanging around if they are that much of a goof-up



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#294803 - 10/19/06 12:03 PM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: harlan]
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Not if he can punch you in the face better and faster than you can do it to him.... Partial joke, partial truth.

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#294804 - 10/19/06 12:14 PM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: butterfly]
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Yes...but this isn't a discussion of rationalizing training with 'good technicians with jerky personalities'. I mean...you learn so much technique...and then it becomes personal committment (to strength training, to increase performance, etc.).

One is, after all, judged by the company one keeps.

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#294805 - 10/19/06 12:25 PM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: harlan]
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There is only one karate and it came from China... :P

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#294806 - 10/19/06 12:32 PM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: eyrie]
harlan Offline
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You don't even do real karate...so be quiet.

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#294807 - 10/19/06 12:37 PM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: harlan]
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Whilst I dont buy into the Saintly 'Budo' perfection side of things,

One thing I know for sure is that im only interested in 'good' character karate people, irrelevant of their skill or expeirence.

Bad manners, dishonesty, bully's, money grabbers - I have no time for whoever they are.

Im far from perfect of course but I try and present myself as openly and honest as posible and I expect the same.

The reality of it all is that most people are decent enough, the ones that arn't tend to do martial arts........

Only kidding
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Jim Neeter

www.shoshinkanuk.blogspot.com

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#294808 - 10/19/06 12:43 PM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: shoshinkan]
harlan Offline
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Ahhhh....'Budo'. Perhaps, the 'good person' school?

1. GI (Justice, Right Decision): Making correct decisions from the heart rather than from the mind. To die when one must without thought or regret.

2. YUU (Bravery): Rushing onto the point of a sword without hesitation if it would accomplish the greatest good.

3. JIN (Compassion, Benevolence): Universal love toward mankind. The ability to exhibit compassion.

4. REI (Right Action): Etiquette and the preservation of courtesy. The Samurai believed that it was better to lose his life than to be impolite.

5. MAKOTO (Truth, Sincerity): Truthfulness

6. MEIYO (Honor): Glory without ego.

7. CHUUGI (Devotion): Loyalty.

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#294809 - 10/19/06 12:50 PM Re: Two 'schools' of karate [Re: harlan]
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Ah, I understand now. The Mr. Miyagi from the Karate Kid movies...style of karate.

I guess it all depends...but you're right, one shouldn't be involved with those whom show a blatant disregard for the civilities of life. On the other hand, people are people, and some martial artists are bad apples. I understand your point. A bad apple will ruin the whole barrel full.

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