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#294348 - 10/17/06 02:27 PM Hello
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Just saying hi to all in the fourm. I just found this site and I'm loving it! I've trained for 13 years under one traditional style and I'm expanding my horizons, so to speak. I would like to expand my actual street combat skills, as my dojo doesn't freestyle spar or enter tournaments. All information and opinions are welcome.

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#294349 - 10/17/06 02:34 PM Re: Hello [Re: Meibukan003]
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#294350 - 10/17/06 02:34 PM Re: Hello [Re: Meibukan003]
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Welcome to the forums, Meibukan003.
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#294351 - 10/17/06 02:39 PM Re: Hello [Re: MattJ]
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#294352 - 10/17/06 02:55 PM Re: Hello [Re: Meibukan003]
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Vist other dojos if you don't have a study group. Start a work out club outside of the dojo. Try to experince all the ranges in training. Try to adapt your favorite combinations within these ranges. Help each other with non-bias constructive input, if you say it you got to prove it. Not a challenge just waste management.

Don't waste time trying to change basic form as long as it will knock someone on their butt it doesn't matter if its short or long or done like yours.

Study and have fun learn technicailly then bring it up to full contact workouts with full resistance standing and on the ground. Don't imitate MMA (thats just one way to do things) kick from the ground up stomp and defend the stomp from the ground. Among other things.

Study open minded. Your trad system is slightly different then other Goju systems Kata. I guess being Miyagi's top man he can do what wants. I've seen some of your Katas they are sharp. I hear there's a turle form, what can you tell me about it? I'm from a distance Shorie-Kan branch most Goju system don't do Kokei-hai 1-3 either.

Nice to have on board. Keep us posted.
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#294353 - 10/17/06 03:45 PM Re: Hello [Re: Neko456]
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Thanks for the replies everyone!

In response to the quote above:
I have reciently started to train on the side with a friend that studies other styles (Boxing, Ground Fighting, etc.), so I've got something cooking there.

Most of my knowledge of other styles cames from those who have joined my dojo and have taken other styles. So I'm very limited in that department.

'turle form' (Is this a typo?)
Yes, there is a 'turtle' form. The Meibukan Kata's have creatures associated with them, the 'Black Turtle' being the last to be taught and is also my favorite kata. It's Japanese name is Genbu (The spelling is open to debate) and is taught at a Brown Belt level. It is the longest Meibukan Kata (Based on a traditional count). The others are Tench or Tenchi (Heaven and Earth), Seiryu (Blue Dragon), Byakko (White Tiger) and Shujakku (Red Phoenix), in the order they are taught.

As a testiment to my ignorance of other styles, what does MMA stand for?

Thanks for the helpful information and I am definitly trying to be open minded to the many arts.

My goal is to learn more about street application and what other opinions are on that subject. My kata is very strong, but I seem to fall shorter then I would like in actual kumite / sparing / combat. However, my dojo spars without protective equipment, but in a controlled manner (Ippon / Nihon / Renzoko / Kakomi Kumite). There has only been one bad injury in 13 years due to these types of kumite. I have also been reading military manuals on hand to hand combat.

I feel that I'm always holding back when in combat, but in the kata's I'm able to apply speed, power, grace, etc... Hmmm, hard to describe on the internet.

Sorry for the long post.
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#294354 - 10/17/06 03:55 PM Re: Hello [Re: Meibukan003]
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Hi, I studied Meibukan 74-85 (Mirakian line near Boston). I'm not familiar with the kata you mention...were they added later?

welcome to the forums!

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#294355 - 10/17/06 04:02 PM Re: Hello [Re: Ed_Morris]
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#294356 - 10/17/06 04:11 PM Re: Hello [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Quote:

Hi, I studied Meibukan 74-85 (Mirakian line near Boston). I'm not familiar with the kata you mention...were they added later?

welcome to the forums!




I believe they were added between 1987 and 1991. I could be wrong on the first date.
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#294357 - 10/17/06 04:13 PM Re: Hello [Re: Zombie Zero]
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Ahhh, UFC. Ok, thanks!
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#294358 - 10/18/06 02:55 PM Re: Hello [Re: Meibukan003]
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Mekbukan003 wrote - I feel that I'm always holding back when in combat, but in the kata's I'm able to apply speed, power, grace, etc... Hmmm, hard to describe on the internet.

Neko4.. Even when you bring it up to full contact you will have to hold back, but think about what you actually want to do along with the technique you are performing. What I mean for example after a sweep you stomp the chest but think you stomped the head. You just changed the target. Instead of breaking the arm hit 3" above or below the elbow joint.

Another way to practice full speed is to shadow box/fight using all the ranges, it makes your combinations smoother and more instinctive. Nothing prearrange for long.

At the full contact level to test your skills do the 1 minute drill as if caught in a corner. You go full out for one minute whatever you want to do standing or ground if you can. You will note that very little at 1st (nobody wants to give it up) as you go along alot of damage can be done in a minute and full out 1-3 minutes you need to work aerobics drills along with tecnical stuff.

The Turtle Kata is longer then Suprimpei? Wow that is a long form. Which kata does it Share techniques with Sanseru or Shisoshin? Niether?

Do you guys do Bunkia & Kiso-Kumite? Or just Bunkia Kumite. Did I miss that in your quote?


Edited by Neko456 (10/18/06 03:01 PM)
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#294359 - 10/18/06 04:02 PM Re: Hello [Re: Neko456]
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Quote:

Mekbukan003 wrote - I feel that I'm always holding back when in combat, but in the kata's I'm able to apply speed, power, grace, etc... Hmmm, hard to describe on the internet.

Neko4.. Even when you bring it up to full contact you will have to hold back, but think about what you actually want to do along with the technique you are performing. What I mean for example after a sweep you stomp the chest but think you stomped the head. You just changed the target. Instead of breaking the arm hit 3" above or below the elbow joint.

Another way to practice full speed is to shadow box/fight using all the ranges, it makes your combinations smoother and more instinctive. Nothing prearrange for long.

At the full contact level to test your skills do the 1 minute drill as if caught in a corner. You go full out for one minute whatever you want to do standing or ground if you can. You will note that very little at 1st (nobody wants to give it up) as you go along alot of damage can be done in a minute and full out 1-3 minutes you need to work aerobics drills along with tecnical stuff.

The Turtle Kata is longer then Suprimpei? Wow that is a long form. Which kata does it Share techniques with Sanseru or Shisoshin? Niether?

Do you guys do Bunkia & Kiso-Kumite? Or just Bunkia Kumite. Did I miss that in your quote?




Thx for the advice!

The meibukan kata's aren't really related to the other traditional gojyu-ryu katas.

I have never heard of Bunkia & Kiso-Kumite. If you goto the link in my sig, under 'Kata Info', it has all the kata's and below that (terms) is the various kumites I practice. Sorry for the quick reply, I'm late for Karate! LOL...
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#294360 - 10/18/06 04:22 PM Re: Hello [Re: Meibukan003]
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wow...I checked out the site. quite a few major differences from the Meibukan I learned.

do you guys train applications to kata? also, did I read right that Meibukan is doing tournaments?

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#294361 - 10/19/06 10:22 AM Re: Hello [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Quote:

wow...I checked out the site. quite a few major differences from the Meibukan I learned.

do you guys train applications to kata? also, did I read right that Meibukan is doing tournaments?




You mean bunkai of the kata moves? If so, yes we do train to learn the applications of the moves in a kata. We do have tournaments, but my particular dojo usually doesn't enter. Sensei Yagi will tolerate them, but he isn't a fan.

Speaking of Sensei Yagi, I went to karate last night and he was there! It was nice to see him again. It's always funny to see the reaction of people who have never met him before, when you tell them 'Oh, by the way, Sensei Yagi is here. He will be watching tonight.' Talk about everyone on best behaviour! LOL

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