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#293609 - 10/16/06 11:33 PM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: senseihonor]
the_jonn Offline
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Registered: 09/13/06
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like I always say the better the instructor the better you will be... it takes days and weeks and months of training mate, you need to be able to identify the dangers yourself and not always rely on the instructor observe on what he teaches you and work on your mistakes afterwards.

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#293610 - 10/17/06 03:44 PM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: the_jonn]
AndrewGreen Offline
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I still prefer "Coach"
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#293611 - 10/18/06 09:39 AM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: AndrewGreen]
oldman Offline
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Even with the word coach you have the same problem. You've got Tom Landry and T-ball coaching screaming at the kids "Earl" you've got phil Jackson and you have Bobby Knight.

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#293612 - 10/18/06 10:57 AM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: oldman]
AndrewGreen Offline
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Yes, and there are good teachers and bad teachers. Good instructors and bad instructors. And of course, good coaches and bad coaches.

My job is to improve the performance of the people in my class. Not to impart a specific curriculum, or teach history or philosophy. Just to make them better at what they do, and that means different things for different people.
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#293613 - 10/18/06 11:00 AM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: AndrewGreen]
harlan Offline
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Then you are not a teacher, and have highlighted the difference between a 'coach' and a 'teacher'.

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Not to impart a specific curriculum



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#293614 - 10/18/06 11:42 AM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: AndrewGreen]
oldman Offline
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Andrew,
I have a question for you and I do mean this respectfully. Do you feel that you are not teaching history or Philosophy?

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#293615 - 10/18/06 12:30 PM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: senseihonor]
BulldogTKD Offline
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A teacher is also an instructor.

The teacher knows when to become the instructor and when to be the teacher. An instructor canít seem to make the transformation from one to the other, but and instructor can learn to become a teacher although it is a difficult task indeed. On the other hand,
a teacher can sometimes find it difficult to be a good instructor but it seems the transformation is much easer for the teacher to become an instructor.

I think the key factor is compassion, compassion for the students, and for the Martial Arts. If you donít care for your students then you will never be a great teacher! You can be a great instructor but never a great teacher. If you donít care for the Martial Arts then you are just a student pretending to teach or instruct.

I will give an example:

In my old school we had an instructor who was very good at doing that, instructing. His technique was flawless! He could show you the proper way to kick, punch, strike or block. But, he could not explain this so everyone could understand. He would not take the time to work through the technique or explain the why in the technique. Even if there was a privet lesson, he would still move on to other things to fast.

He could not understand how to teach things so they could be grasped by the student. Now some of the responsibility falls on the student, but if they can not grasp a concept then they will not get it. He lacked compassion. If one has compassion then you will recognize the struggles and work to over come them. He was often perplexed why some of the students did not get it!

We had an instructor that was asked once by the school owner, senior instructor, how do you know that your class needs to work on there side kicks more instead of there round kicks? The answer was; that during class the previous day many of the students were not getting the proper chamber or re chamber during drills. I thought we will work on practical applications and defenses against a poorly executed side kick today instead of the round kick.

This instructor under stood that the students were having difficulties by watching the students and paying attention to there mood, actions and reactions.

I think this instructor had compassion for his students and cared enough to modify the training to help get them back on track.

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#293616 - 10/21/06 09:24 PM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: BulldogTKD]
senseihonor Offline
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Registered: 09/09/06
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Compassion, empathy, recognition, intuition - all missing in one particular sensei within our organization. He hasn't figured out why new students don't stick around longer than yellow belt, has no clue that his newest black belts loath him in numerous ways and he doesn't seem concerned that a few of his students who got their black belts didn't continue with their training.

Compassion, empathy, recognition, intuition - all present in another sensei. She has students follow her from one dojo to another, are happy to assist her at any class, they attend her seminars and fall at her feet in worship (worship mixed with huge doses of deep respect).

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#293617 - 10/22/06 09:14 PM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: AndrewGreen]
senseihonor Offline
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Registered: 09/09/06
Posts: 62
Loc: Ontario, Canada
I guess I could see how the philosophical side might not always enter the dojo but I don't understand how you could teach without following some kind of curriculum/teaching plan. I also wonder how you can teach a MA and not discuss the origins and development of your particular style.

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Not to impart a specific curriculum, or teach history or philosophy.



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#293618 - 11/01/06 11:33 PM Re: Teacher vs. Instructor [Re: senseihonor]
senseihonor Offline
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Registered: 09/09/06
Posts: 62
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Does anyone have any recommendations on teaching material that might translate well into the dojo?

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