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#293366 - 10/15/06 09:16 AM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Supremor]
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was a terrible fight thats for sure but only started going down hill after bikos headbuts came in. wasnt impressed with joes attitude atall he let himself get dragged into it.

i have a question though, they both weighed in at 12stone? how is it that biko has SO much more power than calzaghe?
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#293367 - 10/15/06 03:27 PM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Tom2199]
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Several factors:

1) Natural strength. Some people are born with a higher proportion of fast twitch fibres than others, hence more strength. Look at sprinters, there isn't a hop in hell that any of us could get that fast, they are born with amazing genes.

2) Training. Maybe Bika was just training more effectively, with a more scientific use of weights. From what I've seen of Calzaghe's training, there's an awful lot of cardio (running) etc. Perhaps he's doing concurrent training which would damage strength gains.

3) Age. Calzaghe remember is 34, compared to Bika's 27. Bika is in the very prime of his career, most athletes are at their best in fitness terms at 27-28.

4) Shedding for the weigh-in. It may be that Bika's walking weight is somewhat above the 12 stone he weighed in at. He was probably in the gym for a few hours the night before, getting rid of some water weight to make his division. Then he would re-hydrate for the match itself.

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#293368 - 10/15/06 03:32 PM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Supremor]
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Calzaghe has never been a huge puncher anyway. Although he has a lot of stoppages on his record, they are almost all TKO's. Joe uses his natural speed to overwhelm an opponent. His punches tend to have a cumlative effect.


NB Joe is actually only credited with 2 offical KO's in his whole career.
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#293369 - 10/15/06 06:54 PM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Prizewriter]
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Just saw the Bika fight. I have to admit, while I was impressed with both fighter's strength and stamina, this was not the skill-fest I was anticipating. Bika was playing a bit dirty, although with apparent sportmanship at the beginning and end of the rounds. Calzaghe did not impress me in this fight with his strict adherence to the rules, either. Lots of holding and a few rabbit punches in his part.

A Hopkins fight might bring out some of the technician in him that he showed towards the later rounds. Overall very sloppy fight on both parts.
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#293370 - 10/16/06 06:57 AM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Supremor]
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Quote:

Perhaps he's doing concurrent training which would damage strength gains.




could anyone elaborate on this?
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#293371 - 10/16/06 12:15 PM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Tom2199]
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If you're looking for a definition, then concurrent training is simply doing weights and cardio on the same day.

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#293372 - 04/07/07 11:16 PM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Prizewriter]
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I actually sit down and watched a few of calzaghe's fights the other day. I now know why he doesn't deserve any respect and why I barely knew who he was. He has had only 2(and thats stretching it) good fights. No wonder he won't come over and fight in the United States. All I saw was slap boxing and pushing in most of his fights. Maybe one day he could fight someone that will punch back. Until then I firmly believe I know why he cry's for respect. He should stop crying for it and just come over and fight his way up. Even Winky is still trying to get the respect he deserves but at least he isn't crying about it. He is just proving it.

Glad I never paid for these fights cause I would have been laughed at. I just had to responded to this post becuase someone was commenting on how he is one of the greatest boxers of all times and this was the only post I could find on him. I give him a thumbs down.

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#293373 - 04/08/07 03:21 AM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: spazwilk]
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Well seems you disagree with the whole forum.

Calzaghe is quite good, well better than most boxers these days. And cut him some slack, he's just human. What you want? Superman with 1 punch ko?

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#293374 - 04/08/07 05:34 AM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Taison]
Kysogkram Offline
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Well, if Calzaghe is such a champ he should start fighting real contenders. I didn't watch the fight against Manfredo, but from what I've heard it was pathetic. Manfredo's only notable achievement is being in The Contender, where he lost twice, please explain to me why he was fighting Calzaghe?

This is sort of why boxing sucks. Every fight is a title match, it's ridiculous. I'm not saying Calzaghe sucks, but I think he should start facing some real competition.

He needs to fight Mikkel Kessler. Kessler destroyed Andrade, the only reason he didn't win by KO is that apparently Andrade's head is made of concrete . I figure Kessler would win against Calzaghe as well, and that's probably why Calzaghe doesn't want to fight him.

Oh well, enough rambling
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#293375 - 04/08/07 05:57 AM Re: Calzaghe is back! [Re: Kysogkram]
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This all comes down to one man: Frank Warren, Calzaghes promoter.

I have, in the past, been highly critical of Warren. He is first and foremost a businessman. You can't blame him for the way he operates with his fighters.

Calzaghe sold 35000 tickets for a fight against, and while I have the highest respect for all boxers, a lesser opponent. Warren made a lot of money (as did Calzaghe) for fighting against a vastly inferior oppoenent.

While this makes business sense (Warren did the same thing with Hatton, giving him a line of lessers while selling 22000 tickets per fight in Manchester, England) it results in poor match ups.

The problem with making the Kessler fight isn't that Calzaghe couldn't beat Kessler, it is that it is all about business. Calzaghe, according to reports, gets at least 1 million USD per fight, and has done for the last 3-4 years. Now, to fight Kessler, which is a big fight, he is going to want more than that. A lot more.

Kessler, good as he is, isn't as well known in USA. Like it or not, USA is still a big boxing market, that is where the money is. In order to finance the fight, you need American TV.

I reckon the fight will happen. Will Kessler have enough to beat Calzaghe? I don't know. He is in good form though, hehas beaten 5 former world champs in his last 7 fights, 4 of which he stopped.
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