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#292660 - 10/14/06 10:23 AM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: Chen Zen]
ANDY44 Offline
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Quote:

Well, I understand better then. Excuse me. But I would respond by saying that just because a school utilizes kata that its a McDojo per se. I actually have a good deal of respect for TMA. I simply see room for improvement. Isnt interaction and exchange the purpose of this place? Its easy to point at others but how about ourselves? I could easily be writting this thread about the flaws of MMA training. kata just wouldnt have been on the list.


As for spending time partying, thats not me. And the family life, I wish I had more time for. Are you not a family man?

So I once again propose the question" How does a martial artist, or anyone for that matter, excel in their trade, or improve the trade itself, without first questioning the very thing they partake in ?




Quote from Ian aberneathy's website


http://www.iainabernethy.com/articles/The_Karate_Guard.asp


Here is a whole heap of information about kata etc.
What do you think to the articles?

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#292661 - 10/14/06 10:26 AM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: Chen Zen]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Hello Chen Zen:

Wish there were an "active gif" of the Thinker statue....
<thoughtful sigh>

How about kata fundamentally being the B-A-S-E-L-I-N-E ???? Put the defender in ~absolute neutral~ (everybody MUST put their hands in the same identical spot to cancel out her height advantage, my mass advantage, his speed, etceteria....) (ie To prevent some personal quirk, or attribute interfearing with the achieved results the group is trying to figure out)

Everybody starts from the identical "neutral" spot to examine-explore the attack technique in question From that vulnerable-neutral starting point you add the endless various issues which exist within kata.

Body shifting...
Structural advantage...
Efficent leverage...
Etceteria...


Perhaps that explains kata somewhat ?
Jeff

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#292662 - 10/14/06 10:45 PM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: Chen Zen]
cxt Offline
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Chen

But "below the belt" is where a lot of good targets are!

Yes, soooooooooooo, just kidding around.
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#292663 - 10/14/06 10:51 PM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: Ronin1966]
Chen Zen Offline
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Hello Chen Zen:

Wish there were an "active gif" of the Thinker statue....
<thoughtful sigh>

How about kata fundamentally being the B-A-S-E-L-I-N-E ???? Put the defender in ~absolute neutral~ (everybody MUST put their hands in the same identical spot to cancel out her height advantage, my mass advantage, his speed, etceteria....) (ie To prevent some personal quirk, or attribute interfearing with the achieved results the group is trying to figure out)

Everybody starts from the identical "neutral" spot to examine-explore the attack technique in question From that vulnerable-neutral starting point you add the endless various issues which exist within kata.

Body shifting...
Structural advantage...
Efficent leverage...
Etceteria...


Perhaps that explains kata somewhat ?
Jeff


Sounds like Point sparring to me. Perhaps you could explain in a little more detail so that i may give a more thorough response.

Cxt, Got me there pal!
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#292664 - 10/15/06 09:12 PM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: Chen Zen]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Hello Chen Zen:

Wow, been a lot of traffic this weekend... yikes!

<<Point sparring to me.

Ummmmngh, ok, but ~point sparring~ would be step 2A/3.
1 Would be the basic techniques, and the time to engrain them solo.
2 Would be the mechanics, and concepts of kata.
2A/3 Point Sparring would be exploring (slowly to start) how well I really had the movements & ideas.

<<Perhaps you could explain in a little more detail

It might take me some time, things will be busy for the next few days, let me see what I can do (sic. if anything ) to flesh this out a bit...

Do we have any ~common ground~ to start with? What kata are you comfortable/familiar with? Again one aspect of my basic hypothesis being kata help us all start from a single neutral spot. Quirks, intensities, physical attributes are negated somewhat so that we can all examine the same attack from the identical structural locations and seemingly vulnerable.

Kata help explore concepts and mechaics of power and the assorted systems for producing same for minimal effort.


Jeff

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#292665 - 10/15/06 09:54 PM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: Ronin1966]
Chen Zen Offline
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I understand what you mean by exploring the different aspects of the technique slowly to see that you have "learned" it. Sounds like a drilling excercise other than there is no resistance in your version. In mine, there is progressive resistance. Little to none at first, then some more, and it progresses until its time for a student to use it in free sparring against a fully resisting opponent. To me that resistance is key to properly learning how to use the technique and rather or not the technique is worthy of being in your self defense arsenal.
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#292666 - 10/17/06 10:51 AM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: Chen Zen]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3116
Loc: East Coast, United States
Hello Chen Zen:

<<other than there is no resistance in your version.

Apparently I was badly unclear if you perceive our method that way. I apologize. We use the same approach is seems. Begun in the reverse order (immediate total resistance) no skill building happens. Primitive survival instinct is triggered rather than calling on learned skill.

Resistance is good, but not the first, second, third... well not for a while!
J

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#292667 - 10/17/06 10:04 PM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: Ronin1966]
Chen Zen Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
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Well, then it seems we agree somewhat. Of course you cant jump into the mix right from the begining. Everything worth knowing takes time
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#292668 - 10/26/06 04:58 AM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: cxt]
billyg Offline
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Registered: 10/26/06
Posts: 8
Quote:

Rumble

That is what you get when you take fighting advice from an actor




Hi Guys.
I am new to the forum. Could I ask a question? Kata (forms etc) do they contain techniques for self defence?
If so would weapon’s self defence also come in to this category?

Billy-G

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#292669 - 11/02/06 08:59 AM Re: Chen Destroys the kata myth [Re: billyg]
BrianS Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 5959
Loc: Northwest Arkansas
Quote:

Hi Guys.
I am new to the forum. Could I ask a question? Kata (forms etc) do they contain techniques for self defence?
If so would weapon’s self defence also come in to this category?

Billy-G




They absolutely contain self defense techniques. I don't train weapons defenses from them myself.
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