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#292496 - 10/11/06 01:48 PM Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum
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Do you train trapping as part of your current curriculum? Why?
Do you trap?
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#292497 - 10/11/06 07:10 PM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: Chen Zen]
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I see alot of new age JKD practitioners discard there trapping skills. Even Burton Richardson says he doesnt really focus on any trappings anymore. As for me I love trapping as I have sparred with grapplers and my trapping skills work on them because they are not familair with this technique after the grapplers want to learn trapping but they cannot because they cannot grasp or comprehend the concept of chi sao or sensitivity drills to them its all about brute force. Also trapping skills takes alot of practice and training to keep them up to par. Although training on a wing chun dummy for your trapping is great once again its not really realistic as the dummy is not attacking you and you cannot feel his energy (sensitivity)the best way is with a live partner and with many different multiple partners so you can feel that eveyones energy is different instead of just practicing with the same person everyday.
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#292498 - 10/11/06 07:12 PM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: Rumble]
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rumble i am looking for a dvd that can help me with my trapping on the wing chun dummy. i have some basic trapping skills but am looking to expand my foundation can you help thank you
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#292499 - 10/11/06 08:54 PM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: Rumble]
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Rumble wrote
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I see alot of new age JKD practitioners discard there trapping skills. Even Burton Richardson says he doesnt really focus on any trappings anymore.





I think you have to define ‘trapping’. I train what I consider to be trapping. It’s not wing chun based however, it’s based on Greco-Roman wrestling. It still serves the same exact purpose but has shown to be more functional in the process. The training methods are ultimately what it comes down to. The wing chun method of training is “old hat”. Wooden dummy training? Forget about it. Grab a human partner and PUMMEL! That’s what is going to develop greater applicable skill.


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As for me I love trapping as I have sparred with grapplers and my trapping skills work on them because they are not familair with this technique….





I would immediately have to question the skill level of these “grapplers” that you are referring to. I mean, trapping is essentially a grappling skill. To say that grapplers are unfamiliar with a grappling technique is a little odd. And that’s an understatement.




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after the grapplers want to learn trapping but they cannot because they cannot grasp or comprehend the concept of chi sao or sensitivity drills to them its all about brute force.





I disagree that grappling is all about brute force. That wouldn’t explain Royce Gracie’s success against much bigger and stronger opponents.


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Also trapping skills takes alot of practice and training to keep them up to par. Although training on a wing chun dummy for your trapping is great once again its not really realistic as the dummy is not attacking you and you cannot feel his energy (sensitivity)the best way is with a live partner and with many different multiple partners so you can feel that eveyones energy is different instead of just practicing with the same person everyday.




That I would agree with completely! You’re speaking my language now.



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#292500 - 10/11/06 11:48 PM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: JKogas]
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i train on the dummy and would'nt you agree it is essential to learn a foundation of trapping so that you can develop a feel enabling you to flow into a more freelance type
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#292501 - 10/12/06 08:01 AM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: Rumble]
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Tough call for me. I put yes, as I use Chi Sao and checks in sparring, but probably not in the same sense that many JKD folks do.
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#292502 - 10/14/06 11:22 AM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: MattJ]
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I find that when sparring with an opponent of around equal skill, that there are significantly fewer opportunities for trapping than when sparring a lesser able fighter or indeed when playing around and showing my non- martial artist friends. The thing is however, that if you were to get into a fight on the street, there would probably be a greater chance of being able to trap the unskilled opponent, therefore i would say that trapping has a significant role to play here.
In class though, if i try to trap more than a few times, then i usually end up getting hit. It's not the fact that trapping isn't very useful, it's that there are certain circumstances where it should be used and where it should be avoided. Against a fast opponent or one with good footwork, forget it, there are better things you could do.
Anyway, i checked the yes box, because we do it in class about every second or third session, and we end up doing it a lot more often when sifu Andy Kimura and sibak Taky come over to teach.
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#292503 - 10/18/06 05:56 PM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: jkdwarrior]
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Knowing a few traps is great. I've used basic trapping in almost every sparring match and fight I've been in sincev I learned how and it's been very effective. I like it and I'm no expert either. It doesn't work with heavy gloves o nthough.
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#292504 - 10/19/06 05:30 AM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: Chen Zen]
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I think a problem is that many people often look for the traps. Or confuse traps with blocks. In kenpo terms traps are checks, obstructions that get in the way of your attack.

I wouldn't sicard the wody dummy just yet, it's a great way to develop your arms. Huge advantage over a person who has weak wrists and fore arms.

It's like practicing timing and reaction drills with your partner, or light sparring with them. Sure it's great to build that fighters instict but eventually your gonna want to hit that heavy bag so you canfeel what it's really like.
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#292505 - 10/19/06 07:22 AM Re: Trapping as part of the JKD Curriculum [Re: MattJ]
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Tough call for me. I put yes, as I use Chi Sao and checks in sparring, but probably not in the same sense that many JKD folks do.





I'm pretty much the same except no chi-sao. We just use pummelling of all sorts and hand fighting as our primary energy drills. Doing that with your eyes closed is wonderful (as is any form of grappling).

I'd say that we apply "trapping" all the time, though as Matt said, not in the same sense that a jkd or wing chun guy might. I mean, a good underhook or collar tie as you're uppercutting is quite effective!


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