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#291525 - 10/06/06 06:21 PM enhance yourself and how to do it
the_jonn Offline
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Registered: 09/13/06
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now I heard that ju jitsu is the best martial arts anyone can learn, "why?" because it enables you to grapple i dont mean to be insulting to another martial arts but i mean no disrespect but "karate" its open hand and it may not be too affective when it comes to grappling and pin downs. my best advice for you all about street defense is i recommend you do judo or ju jitsu for street defense because I was told once that if you do karate it will not make you successfull in life take my advice, because i did karate and i have learned from my mistakes and really? they didnt teach me "jack" in street defense its hands up and around by a sweeping block not hands at the side and one hand up you need that protection two hands up and fighting positions.

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#291526 - 10/06/06 08:02 PM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: the_jonn]
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...I was told once that if you do karate it will not make you successfull in life take my advice, because i did karate and i have learned from my mistakes and really? they didnt teach me "jack" in street defense its hands up and around...






Angry karate people, the line forms here.
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#291527 - 10/06/06 09:26 PM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: the_jonn]
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While I appreciate your feelings for Judo and Ju Jitsu, I really don't think you are being fair to Karate. I assume that is because of your limited exposure to the many systems of Karate that many people have found very useful for self defense.

Do yourself and the forum a favor. Go out and learn some more about Karate systems and don't make such sweeping generalizations.
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#291528 - 10/07/06 03:00 AM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: Fletch1]
migo Offline
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I have left most of the Karate training I did behind, but I've still taken some usefl things away from it. Something would have to really stink for it to have no value of any kind.

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#291529 - 10/07/06 12:50 PM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: the_jonn]
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my best advice for you all about street defense is i recommend you do judo or ju jitsu for street defense because I was told once that if you do karate it will not make you successfull in life take my advice




Okaaaaay, wtf? What in the hell is this argument about exactly? Karate not making you successful in life or judo being street effect because it's "hands up by the waist"?


It's sad that mislead/ignorant martial artist like this one pollute the community of hard training karate-ka. I'd sure like to see a kyokushin practitioner enlighten him. That and perhaps him taking a grammar class or two.
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#291530 - 10/07/06 09:21 PM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: AkhilleusWeeps]
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Registered: 12/22/05
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Yeah, I hate it when people make broad generalizations about any art or style. Just because one person'e experience with the style is bad doesn't mean it would be the same for everyone unless this person is under the impression that he is the ultimate authority on Karate and his experience is paramount.

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#291531 - 10/07/06 11:49 PM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: Glockmeister]
migo Offline
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A lot of people have bad experiences with Karate, a lot more than those who have good experiences. Good karate is the exception, and if you want to make use of most of the training you're limited to a few branches like Kyokushin and Enshin.

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#291532 - 10/08/06 04:23 AM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: migo]
the_jonn Offline
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like I said ok I didnt mean any disrespect alright.and sorry if i have offended any of you, karate means open hand fighting it does not mean that I am being an A**H**. but I was just trying to help I am not trying to say to people not to do karate they can do whatever they want I have my own opinions thank you.

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#291533 - 10/08/06 08:42 AM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: the_jonn]
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Registered: 10/23/05
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Important thing when posting is to make sure you do so in a clear way, so that you make yourself understood. Good that you clarified somewhat.

I understand what you are saying, but as has been stated, generalizations should be avoided. Your experiences are always worth sharing though.

Bear in mind too that there are Ryu's of Karate that, although karate, comprise quite heavily of Ju Jutsu e.g. Wado Ryu. Other Ryu's of karate that have incorporated a lot of Ju Jutsu in to their style, such as Seidokan incorporating a lot of trad Ju Jutsu techiques and grapple defenses in to their style.

Just some food for thought...
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#291534 - 10/08/06 12:22 PM Re: enhance yourself and how to do it [Re: Prizewriter]
FlyingDragon Offline
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Registered: 04/07/06
Posts: 8
Loc: Rochester, NY USA
Could I have everyone's attention, please? This just in: Apparently, it's actually not a crime to read your posts before posting them after all! I'm not trying to be a jerk, but seriously, a little punctuation might help you sound slightly less ignorant. I mean, there's only so much good punctuation can do, but...im saying when you talk and write and post like this no one nos what ur saying man get the idea obviously im overemphasizing for dramatic emphasis but when you just keep going on like this and your sentences jump around to your sides and people do this all the time, well, the rest of us simply cannot understand what you're trying to say. Better luck next time, champ.

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