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#290606 - 10/05/06 04:37 PM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: oldman]
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your last ctoon: punch-catching seems unreliable, and he's still too far away. instead, try 'receiving' the attack vs 'snatching' it.

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#290607 - 10/06/06 09:15 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed,
I have heard the phrase punch catching is some of dillman's material. I can't say that I have much experience with it or put my faith in it. In the approach that I attemped to illustrate the punch is not really caught so much as redirected and stuck to (muchimi)?. Eyrie commented that it looked like kote gaieshi and the entry feels like that. I wanted to show a kata based technique that could illustrate the shared principles that Eyrie was talking about. Your comment about receiving the attack is right on the money. I don't feel that I captured that as effectively as I might have.

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#290608 - 10/06/06 10:31 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: oldman]
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It looked to me exactly as you just described it.

I think it needs to be said that many techniques are predicated on the attacker committing to an attack - with the intent to do you some real damage. Some techniques just don't work or look remotely like the nice clean "dojo" technique, when the attacker is essentially squaring off and taking potshots at you.

Obviously when that happens, one needs to adjust appropriately, whether that means modifying the technique, going with the flow, or changing the rules of engagement thru strategy or deception.

I dunno.... to me, when I look at kata interpretation, I'm predicating the technical response is based on a committed attack. (HAPV I think is the McCarthy-ism).

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#290609 - 10/06/06 11:06 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: eyrie]
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One of the challenges I find in drawing the Bunkai illustrations is this. In a committed attack or real fight the appearance changes. So, if I am trying to show someone, say a green belt what is possible in the form the drawing cannot vary signifigantly from the way thay do it in there practice because then they begin to say "That doesn't look like the form". Or "That isn't Pinan Nidan". Of course it wouldn't.

On a differnt but related idea..

One of the good things I see about kata as they are practiced by, say , Shotokan practitioners is as far as exercise goes it is good physical practice using a full range of motion.

As far as bunkai goes their applications in general are basic and strong. When considering possible application things can shorten up and the circles get smaller. When that happens I imagine things would start to look more okinawan. As far as perfomance, I find them enjoyable to watch like any skillfull demonstration of an art. Being able to punch hard, kick hard be mobile and maintaining your balance, will help out in many confrontations.

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#290610 - 10/10/06 09:08 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: eyrie]
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egg zackly............

practise our Bunkai against common methods of assault is the relaistic way forward.
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#290611 - 10/10/06 09:32 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: shoshinkan]
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shoshinkan,
I would like tospend more training time on that aspect.

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#290612 - 10/10/06 10:01 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: oldman]
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http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...0&fpart=all

is a good 'guide' to start, ensure the attacks are off tempo (not fast to start, but unexpected a little), do not start from 'fixed' karate kamae, either side allow a bit of messeyness in..

I shall take some shots tonight of some bunkai I intitially teach for our Pinan Sho. Please be nice when I put it on the WWW !
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#290613 - 10/10/06 10:19 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: shoshinkan]
Gavin Offline
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Quote:

either side allow a bit of messeyness in..




Someone call????
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#290614 - 10/10/06 10:57 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: Gavin]
JohnL Offline
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I've worked some bunkai with some of you guys at the get togethers.

Rules for Bunkai;





He who has the Bunkai, makes the rules!!
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#290615 - 10/10/06 11:04 AM Re: Rules of Bunkai [Re: Gavin]
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karate is way to neat IMO anyhow, real is messey.
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