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#289972 - 10/15/06 08:31 AM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: BleedEasy]
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Boxers punch harder.





Its down to the person

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#289973 - 10/15/06 08:38 AM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: Chen Zen]
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Its a persons training that is the major difference. While a karateka learns many different forms for his hands he also spends time training them. A boxer has to learn much less. So his training is going to yeild results faster.




I think this would depened on the kind of training
and has nothing to do with boxing or karate.
From what I see from a lot of the modern boxers is a load of basic fundimental mistakes right up to near top pro level.

So if a person is being trained in the fundemental mistakes
even if they are training more intense because of the limited amount of strikes how does that help?

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#289974 - 10/15/06 12:44 PM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: ANDY44]
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Boxing is full of fundamental mistakes? Like what?
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#289975 - 10/15/06 05:13 PM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: Chen Zen]
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Boxing is full of fundamental mistakes? Like what?




http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2471286240673428878&q=boxing

Mistakes I find in boxing bouts are more or less the same as the guy is making on this vidio.

Perhaps if you would like to point them out?


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#289976 - 10/15/06 06:08 PM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: ANDY44]
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There are no "mistakes" in boxing. Remember, the techniques and strategies used are developed for the SPORT of boxing. Any "mistakes" you see are committed by the individual, not the art/sport.

I would be very interested in hearing what specifically these so called "mistakes" are.

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#289977 - 10/15/06 06:42 PM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: BigRod]
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There are no "mistakes" in boxing. Remember, the techniques and strategies used are developed for the SPORT of boxing. Any "mistakes" you see are committed by the individual, not the art/sport.
I would be very interested in hearing what specifically these so called "mistakes" are.





There are a lot of mistakes being made by boxers .
The art of boxing doesnt have mistakes
I agree. But it would seem that boxing either isnt being trained correctly at grass roots or a lot of people are making mistakes. This could also apply to some MMA's in the striking part.


Edited by ANDY44 (10/15/06 07:29 PM)

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#289978 - 10/15/06 07:46 PM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: ANDY44]
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Bad instruction is rather universal Andy. The art of boxing itself isnt the blame. Arent you one to always say "its the individual not the art?" Theres a million strip mall karate dojos passing out blackbelts for a few hundred bucks. Its the same for TKD, Aikido, BJJ, MMA, RBSD Groups. Its everywhere. Im not interested in trading clips of bad practitioners. This conversation has gotten rather stale as well. A lot of circling going on in the conversation.
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#289979 - 10/15/06 08:07 PM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: Chen Zen]
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Bad instruction is rather universal Andy. The art of boxing itself isnt the blame. Arent you one to always say "its the individual not the art?"




Yes I am. And the bad image given by some by karate ka is the
same as the mistakes being made by boxers. Boxers are taugth or should be taught the correct methods. Some karate ka display the wrong teachings. Some of the uses of kata are wrongly interpretated.( Although my study is at this moment limited) But boxing along with correct karate and kata are perfectly viable means of combat. I think it is down to the individual to work out what will or wont work from any style(hate that word) but first investigate.

I try to study as much as I can. Just been reading the MMA thread.

Thanks Chen Zen

Andy



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#289980 - 10/15/06 08:10 PM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: ANDY44]
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But I still dont understand, what are these "mistakes" being taught to boxers?
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#289981 - 10/15/06 08:26 PM Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. [Re: Chen Zen]
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But I still dont understand, what are these "mistakes" being taught to boxers?





It would seem that boxing either isnt being trained correctly at grass roots or a lot of people are making mistakes. This could also apply to some MMA's in the striking part.



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2471286240673428878&q=boxing

As I said "it would seem" . If it is at grass roots or not I am not sure thus I said "it would seem" but either way
The guy on here is making the same mistakes that I see a lot of both in boxing and in MMA's striking. And a lot of people do the same thing therefore my assumption of grass roots. I have no doubt that some trainers are excellent in boxing and that would be better for the boxer.


Ok if you would like to discuss the mistakes I think this guy has made regardless why he made them, then ok
Can do.But it seems a lot of Boxers do the same thing as well as some MMA's/ when they train striking.


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