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#289732 - 09/29/06 12:07 PM Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll.
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Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. How many believe and train that boxing hands are better then Karate hands in the street?

I believe that boxing hands are better then Karate hands in gloved sparring using the basic 5-6 punches, but not in the street.

If my intent is to injury or end a fight quickly, Karate hands are better, target selection, use of entire body and control.

How many work the bags with different hand formations, elbow, forearms, shoulders, hips, knees and head butts??? You fight how you train.

No wrong or right just a poll?
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#289733 - 09/29/06 12:12 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: Neko456]
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Which technique?
Boxing hands or karate hands for street defense?
Only one choice allowed


Votes accepted starting: 09/29/06 12:12 PM
View the results of this poll.
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#289734 - 09/29/06 12:28 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: MattJ]
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Neko and Matt,

I am going to qualify this one. I voted boxing, since some of the best karate-ka I know had boxing experience that informed their karate strikes. I cannot say that for many of the karate-ka that I have encountered who did not have formative use in harder contact with the strikes they were training.

No bash stylistically, btw. Just stating that it's not what you call it, it's how you train it and use it.

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#289735 - 09/29/06 12:32 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: butterfly]
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Boxing ftw (edit) doesnt mean boxing is the best, take a boxers hands out and hes gone.


Edited by crablord (09/29/06 12:33 PM)
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#289736 - 09/29/06 12:39 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: butterfly]
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I actually voted for karate, but with the same understanding as Brad - must be trained with contact and intent. Boxers do this regularly, and karate folk that do not are at a disadvantage. Greater technical repetoire tilted my vote in this case, assuming similar training.
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#289737 - 09/29/06 01:01 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: MattJ]
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I voted for boxing for the same reasons as butterfly. Proper training makes effective fighting, and boxers do a whole lot of it. If a karate guy does this, then fine, but it is less common in my experience.

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#289738 - 09/29/06 01:07 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: MattJ]
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Matt,

Understandable and this is a so-so qustion for me. But my consideration has come from a couple of thoughts. In every "real" fight I have viewed, I have never seen a shuto applied, a crane head anything, or a finger strike. So the economy of repertoire I do not see as necessarily a disadvantage.

Now, if you drop in a Muay Thai fighter who throws fists and elbows but who still doesn't have all the other karate extras and then compare him to a karate player...does that change the equation?

Perhaps not, but by the argument presented so far, it has been based on advantage of multiple weapons (and their use). My criticism would be that less is more if you used more often those limited-in-number of techniques as long as they were trained more realistically.

Oh well, just hypotheticals in any case.

-B

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#289739 - 09/29/06 01:09 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: MattJ]
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I'm thinking karate, mainly because of karate chop fuu to the neck!
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#289740 - 09/29/06 01:40 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: Spade]
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OUS!!

this is one i can actually sink my teeth into a bit. i was on the all army boxing team down in panama.

i voted karate, in karate we focus on strengthening our fist and wrists. we do knuckle push, we hit a makiwara, at our beginning levels our sensei comes around and re-positions our fist and wrist so that we have good technique. also the post was hands. we work on many different stiking techniques other then just throwing a punch. plus we focus on our tandem and generate power from our hips when striking.

now into boxing, if we want to get into conditioning i can elaborate on that but the post was for who's hands are better. in boxing we did shadow boxing, bag work and sparring. you are really not training on how to make a proper fist or how to keep your wrists straight. we used hand wraps for most our training and bag gloves for protecting our hand and fingers.

again this was for hands not conditioning of the body. was i in the best shape of my life when i boxed, yes. but we trained our bodies hard all day pretty much

just my 2 cents

mike
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#289741 - 09/29/06 01:51 PM Re: Boxing hands better the Karate hands poll. [Re: butterfly]
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Brad -

I agree with your post totally. I was thinking more along the lines of standard punches + elbows + forearms + heel palms + hammerfists, etc. Not so much the crane strikes and handswords. But I agree that greater repetoire dos not neccessarily mean better fighter or whatever. Just a mathematical observation on my part.
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