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#289249 - 10/09/06 05:01 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: Chen Zen]
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Guys and Gals, with respect the 'sport' vs 'real' debate is rather old - I agree with what you say, I don't do sport karate and havent for a long time.

I linked this video simply because we have people that do sport karate who might enjoy it. And also because some of the 'real' karateka on here might be able to say -

'Hey very good sport karate'.

I would wager the guy in the video would plant his fist firmly on the nose of the majority of us before we could blink an eye, and lets be frank in most self defence situations thats all you need.

Take it for what it is and not what it isnt!
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#289250 - 10/09/06 08:32 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: shoshinkan]
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And yet again the thread goes off at a tangent.

Let's be reasonable as to what the clip was. It shows point sparring with techniques broken down and explained in detail (if your french is OK) and then examples of these techniques shown as used in competition.

As such let's discuss it for what it is.

You have been given clear, concise explanations of techniques usable in point sparing competition, and a methodology for working and improving them. The videos of the guy showing them in competition also illustrate that what he is showing is usable in the competitions that they are designed for.

I'm sorry but saying that if he's taken to the ground and pounded doesn't cut it for me. The guy is good at what he does and fights under rules for which his technique is designed for. Take Randy or Chuck and put them in a point sparring context and they'd have their a$$e$ handed to them on a plate.

As for Ives comments that the guy has poor technique, I suggest you get on the mat with the guy in the video and show him how his technique is flawed.
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#289251 - 10/09/06 09:07 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: JohnL]
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hmmm, thats what i thought i was saying??

i agree (and thought i already did) he is damn fast and good at what he dose.

i'll take another swing at it, he spar's, so do i in fact!! and what constitutes a point in his system would not be considered in mine. his hook kicks were slaping with the toes and ball of the foot (futeki??) incorrect striking surface. his feet were almost always a few inches off the grond, sometimes they both were. his round house kicks however make mine look like a leg spasim!!

so i am taking this video for what it's worth to me, he dose explain some good combinations, but other then a fit young athletic male in his prime, i don't know many people that can just pop up a round house kick to the face like it's nobodies business!!

so i'l stick to what works for me, if we want to discus that then hey, i'm game!. his idea of throwing alternate punches is nothing ground breaking, yes for the last time he dose thorw a mean round house kick, maby he'll be as kool as chuck noris some day, if that day ever comes??, i'll still be sweeping ,ridgehand striking and throwing punches.

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#289252 - 10/09/06 09:22 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: student_of_life]
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In relation to your hook kick comment, if he used the heel then serious injury could result, simple as that im afraid - this is semi contact points fighting and likely WUKO rules.

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#289253 - 10/09/06 09:49 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: shoshinkan]
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yeah your right

sorry, but that was concerning my own expirence with the kick, in th estyle i pratice hook kicks are allowed, but the only part of the face allowed to be attacked is from the eyebrows to the chin, and as far to the sides as, but not including the ears. the reasoning is the same, the face is legal target, but the ears are to dangerous to risk, as well as the forehead or bck of the head.

looked to me like he was hiting behind the ear?? could be wrong.....

and again, with my style were expected to exercise control, serious injury resuts from neglegence- funakoshi. if yo want my 2 cents, he hit with his toes cause he was too far away and still wanted to look like a point. but hey, im probly off on a tangent again!!

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#289254 - 10/09/06 09:53 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: student_of_life]
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no your comments are fair but we need just to accept that it is a game of tag, a sport, it isn't real combat!
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