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#289239 - 10/06/06 12:12 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: Chen Zen]
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Chen good point.

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#289240 - 10/06/06 02:56 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: bo-ken]
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Do what I can. thanks.
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#289241 - 10/06/06 05:29 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: Chen Zen]
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Exactly! He also doesn't seem to give the geri any 'hip'.
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#289242 - 10/07/06 04:20 AM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: Ives]
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http://media.putfile.com/Point-Fighting-Karate


I think the guy is the same as in the first video on this link, either way it is quite a good video despite the 'repeat' mode used.

He certainly has a sweet hook kick and nice takedown technique.
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#289243 - 10/08/06 04:40 PM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: shoshinkan]
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forgive me my ignorance oh forms gods......

but id take one of thoe "pnches" or kicks in the neck anytime of the day.

he's real fast, and he's got great fighting spirit, but in all sernoisness it looks like a cat fight, he scrambles in like he's in mid seziure then , yes, i'll admit lands his glove on a target aright, but his postre.....bodydynamics.....bone alignment....

alot of people spar with those or similar rules don;t they?, who the heck am i to say anything i guess. but if anyone wants to read yet another faceless opnion id say he's a great guy to spar with.....but that's not ture karate, not by a long shot.
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#289244 - 10/08/06 04:44 PM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: student_of_life]
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Therein lies the problem. The sparring isnt alive. To truely use any art effectively there must be resistance. Its like lifting weights, if their is no resistance then you experience no growth.
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#289245 - 10/08/06 04:47 PM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: Chen Zen]
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i wonder how much "resistence" there wold be if you swpet the little french man
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#289246 - 10/08/06 04:55 PM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: student_of_life]
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Exactly. This is why I dont like the whole point system that many MA have adopted in sparring and competition. Fighting is more than stop and go, high speed slapping matches. Id wager that either one of those guys would have immediately lost if they were properly tackled and mounted.
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#289247 - 10/08/06 10:37 PM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: Chen Zen]
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agreed. but i still won't sleep tonight unless i do say that the guy is very good at what he dose, i mean fightuing under what ever set of rules his style uses. very quick and athletic!!

but i wish to hell these guys would just fes up and say "yes we are sport karate!!!!" i honestly feel that the pratical fighting applications they make use of in their kumite is more abstract then the idea's presented in kata!!!

and the bouncing.....im really sorry guys......but the idea of bouncing while you fight was made popular by playng the video game street fighter!!!!! i don't care what obscure reason anyone presents to me, im set in my ways!

as far as sparing these guys are great, please don't get me wrong, these videos are proably taken from national events or something, he is fast, real fast. But he lacks a certin something that I'm realy not sure what to call, all i can say is that what these guys do is exactly what and why my ex army boxing grandfather laughs when i tell him im in karate.

sparing---kick ass

self defence----ass kicked
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#289248 - 10/08/06 11:34 PM Re: Sparring Techniques [Re: student_of_life]
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Sure he is athletic and fast but the speed is an illusion. The thing thats missing is the power. You cant trade one for the other. There must be a balance. He was definately a good point sparrer. No debates on that but the reality is that most impact in sport sparring is little more than a slap and that just doesnt cut it to me when talking about realistic technique and training methods.
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