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#289067 - 10/02/06 10:00 AM Re: Experiments with Matsubayashi Ryu [Re: aoishi]
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basic kata by design are too stiff, IMO.

in terms of punching, Goju is perhaps closer to boxing with less or no lift in the heel - but the weight is still on the balls of the feet. the only difference to natural stance is turn the front foot in a bit and bend the legs slightly.

watch these clips: all core rotation..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pW_cDgrFaw

lol...don't give me a hard time for pointing to that-just to contrast with hip torquing/whipping.

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#289068 - 10/02/06 10:22 AM Re: Experiments with Matsubayashi Ryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Oh, I get it now! That made it REAL clear!

BTW, what about the "Karate Dog"? Which style would you say it does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O67gIgmKWWE

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#289069 - 10/02/06 10:58 AM Re: Experiments with Matsubayashi Ryu [Re: aoishi]
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lol...obviously 'dog boxing kung fu'.

If you didn't see it in the vid, I don't know...maybe it's easier to think in terms of the difference of swinging a bat vs cracking a whip.

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#289070 - 10/02/06 11:25 AM Re: Experiments with Matsubayashi Ryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
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I watched again. I think I get it. Thanks.

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#289071 - 10/02/06 11:10 PM Re: Experiments with Matsubayashi Ryu [Re: aoishi]
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#289072 - 10/03/06 12:22 AM Re: Experiments with Matsubayashi Ryu [Re: aoishi]
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Quote:

Ed,

May I ask a noobie question about Goju? I mean this exactly as I stated and mean to imply nothing by the asking, but how on earth is power generated? In MB, koshi is everything and without it, there is no power generation other than the muscular kind (i.e "pushing" the punch).
To me (no experience other than MB) it seemed "stiff". Perhaps you could explain so I can understand because "rotating the core" didn't really help me "get it".

Thanks.




Aoishi, there are certainly other methods of generating power in Matsubayashi. Rising, sinking, using body weight, etc. See the katas ananku, naihanchi 1-3 for an introduction to these principles before yudansha. Koshi is all that is taught to beginners to develop the muscles in the hip girdle. As you get around high green you start to develop other methods. Sometimes sooner or later depending on the student.

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#289073 - 10/03/06 12:27 AM Re: Experiments with Matsubayashi Ryu [Re: medulanet]
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Thanks for that Medulanet. I look forward to learning more of those other methods.

By the way, I apologize if I don't seem properly humble. I think it's more a function of "texting" flattening out my personality...

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#289074 - 10/03/06 02:23 AM Re: Experiments with Matsubayashi Ryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Right. Its kind of like in GJJ they teach their principles of groundfighting/grappling before they do the street/nhb stuff. They want to ensure their students have a proper foundation in the principles of their groundfighting before they expand upon it with the striking. In Matsubayashi the okinawans wanted their students to have a proper foundation in the principles of striking and controling distance before they teach grappling okinawan style.

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