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#288121 - 09/26/06 11:23 AM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: Cord]
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Registered: 02/24/05
Posts: 4115
Loc: California
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I was thinking about this clip after my last post yesterday, and my response to it, and came to the conclusion that if it were me and the wife, the fight never would have happened. If we were walking towards to unsavoury looking guys in the midst of an argument, I would cross to the other side of the road out of harms way long before we got near them, thus the arm strike would not happen, and my involvment would become unnecessary.
His response was perfect, but his awareness/judgement on the situation as a whole could have been better.
Ahh, I didn't have the volume on so I couldn't hear the argument. Yes, if there was an arguement, I would have probably turned the opposite direction and found another route entirely. 
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#288122 - 09/26/06 11:33 AM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
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th3 t4sty sn4ck
Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 1530
Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
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he wasnt itching for a fight...He was just keeping a close eye on the two. It would have been smarter for him to swap with the girl but these guys probably didnt seem too hostile. Quote:
a good point in a confrontation like this i feel is not to go overboard like HE DID, that is why the guys follow him afterwards
what did you want the guy to do?? You cant just hold back on a bloke in a situation like that or youll get smashed in the face. He did what he had to do, and he did it well. I dont suppose the fighting was neccesary but from his angle it probably looked like the bloke punched her. And really you cant expect a boxer to know how to deal with someone on the ground  which i dont think is neccesary anyway, seeing as he didnt want to beat the living hell out of them, so much as get his wife away.
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#288123 - 09/26/06 11:47 AM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: crablord]
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Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 1411
Loc: Ontario, Canada
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I didn't follow all 8 pages of what you guys discussed...but the guy did not seem to have hit her deliberately..looks more like he was trying to turn around.
At the start of the fight and during you can see the woman trying to hold the boxer back...or at least she place her hands on his shirt.
After the boxer attacked the first guy the second guy was seen trying to calming him down..saying "hey, hey hey"..so it does not seem like they were looking for trouble. The boxer then attacked the second guy who did nothing to provoke him...the guy was just trying to break it up..
At the end of the video, if you look through the tree branches, you can see the two approaching the couple again..this time at conversational range.
I wonder why title of the video is romales vs boxer, apparently whoever posted the vidoe knows the two?
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#288124 - 09/26/06 12:11 PM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: Lokkan-Do]
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Registered: 04/18/04
Posts: 832
Loc: England
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of course theres time, if u use that thing called distance then no u wont actually get ur face smashed in im not saying go up to him and stick ur chin next to his fist n00b.
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#288125 - 09/26/06 12:47 PM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: ANDY44]
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Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
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They didnt stay on the deck.
Darn pesky kids, not following the script again  I dont know what your experience is Andy, but mine is that the human body is a resiliant thing, and that adrenaline, either natural, or created via use of narcotics, can keep people going like the energiser bunny in the face of incredible physical abuse. 'One punch one kill' does not always work as well as the puncher would like in reality.
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He missed out on quite a few techniques oppertunitys that could have been got in during the space/time he had while fighting.
He no automated techniques other that his fists which are underdeveloped
Lets take the title at its word and presume this chap was a queensbury boxer- this meant he used his techniques, and used them well. He was defending/avenging his girl in a heated situation, maybe if he knew he had to impress an eastern MA'ist in the process he would have tried a yoko geri for the first time ever, instead of using the weapons he felt comfortable with 
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e in the end thay followed him if that was the case they wouldnt have. They were still capable physicaly of fighting
At the time he stopped, both men had clearly shown they had no taste for a fight with him, backing away and stumbling to your feet do not count as continuing threatening behaviour. His mistake, if any, was not failing to stomp them into hospital, rather he should have grabbed his girl and ran instead of walked away.
Again, mistakes before and after the event, not during the fight itself.
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He had none initaily two guys arguing isnt the best place to have a woman
We agree there- I said as much before. Awareness during the fight was very good though.
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what you mean by contol.
He controlled the spacing of his 'oponents',he controlled himself enough to stop before doing them real damage and maintained his poise enough not to make stupid mistakes and get himself beaten down.
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The he needs more speed more power and more techniques and automating those techniques
Well, he had enough of all to deal with the situation he was presented with. Thats all any of us could hope for IMO.
We could all improve couldnt we? thats part of the fun of training- to become better, for ourselves and to protect our loved one's. This guy stepped up to the plate, kept his guard up, let his training kick in and took out two guys, neither of which ended up badly hurt. I respect him for that. If this clip involved me,we would all be angry at the 'big guy who kicked the guy senseless when he was on the floor- thats just not needed' or something similar.
i would be very suprised if either of those guys went after them for a quick 're-match', they were not moving quick enough or with the right body language for that at all, and even if they had, I suspect the outcome would have been much the same.
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One thing that keeps reoccuring to me.
is when I see stuff like this and people say it is good then perhaps it is time i reconsidered my age issue.
I have no idea what you mean by this, but if its an inference that 'kids today' dont know how to fight, it seems ironic, seeing as how the culture of 'stomp em when they are down' has never been more prevalent- I would think you would approve?
your responses are intriguing andy, i look forward to your response 
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#288126 - 09/26/06 12:50 PM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: Tom2199]
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th3 t4sty sn4ck
Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 1530
Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
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uhh was that aimed at me? the guy couldnt have just ran off, he had his wife there.. he had to go up close so he could get them away.. he didnt hit them because he was angry you know, he did it so him and his gf could get away safely. And who says you only get smashed if you have your head next to them? He did a pretty good job of hitting the fleeing guys heads in. n00b
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#288127 - 09/26/06 01:44 PM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: ANDY44]
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Edited by ANDY44 (09/26/06 01:45 PM)
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#288128 - 09/26/06 01:48 PM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: BrianS]
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Registered: 07/01/06
Posts: 814
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Let me be a critic here.Andy,your quoting ability $ucks! Mods have spent countless hours fixing your posts. Learn the quote function man!!! 
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#288129 - 09/26/06 01:52 PM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: ANDY44]
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6768
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lol...there andy goes again...exercising his 'perrogitive' with the delete key.
on topic: the guy in the video did the understandable thing for that circumstance...although he is lucky they weren't armed.
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#288130 - 09/26/06 02:39 PM
Re: ooh, you messed with the wrong guy!
[Re: Cord]
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Registered: 07/01/06
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They didn’t stay on the deck.
Darn pesky kids, not following the script again I dont know what your experience is Andy, but mine is that the human body is a resilient thing, and that adrenaline, either natural, or created via use of narcotics, can keep people going like the energiser bunny in the face of incredible physical abuse. 'One punch one kill' does not always work as well as the puncher would like in reality.
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You say the human body can be very resilient? The human brain isn’t resilient. In MMA the legs are kicked hard enough that they cant stand on them.
If I could use an example a person could have as much alcohol, narcotics or just pure adrenaline but if they attacked someone and they were hit hard enough that they are going to sleep then what does all the other stuff matter?
Karate as I was taught it was exactly that. Now I observe Okinawa masters who are doing just that. Their speed and power is fantastic. Their power generation is some thing else. The way the guy on the vidio was punching wouldn’t knock anybody out.
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He missed out on quite a few techniques opportunities that could have been got in during the space/time he had while fighting.
He no automated techniques other that his fists which are underdeveloped
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Lets take the title at its word and presume this chap was a Queensbury boxer- this meant he used his techniques, and used them well. He was defending/avenging his girl in a heated situation, maybe if he knew he had to impress an eastern MA'ist in the process he would have tried a yoko geri for the first time ever, instead of using the weapons he felt comfortable with
He was a boxer and used to boxing techniques. Problem was in the street scoring points isn’t the answer and I think when I look at the vidio again I will find his technique is wrong for bare knuckle punches.
Yoke geri? There were quite a lot of fighting technique he could have used Cord .This is just a suggestion if people don’t want to do it then fine. Perhaps if you or others would like watch the video and think it through where the opening were that he could have used other techniques then we can compare what we come up with?
I not try ing to be funny or anything this might be an interesting exercise?
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e in the end they followed him if that was the case they wouldn’t have. They were still capable physically of fighting
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At the time he stopped, both men had clearly shown they had no taste for a fight with him, backing away and stumbling to your feet do not count as continuing threatening behaviour. His mistake, if any, was not failing to stomp them into hospital, rather he should have grabbed his girl and ran instead of walked away.
Again, mistakes before and after the event, not during the fight itself.
You have more or less spotted a technique that he perhaps should have used during the fight.
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He had none initially two guys arguing isn’t the best place to have a woman
We agree there- I said as much before. Awareness during the fight was very good though.
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what you mean by control.
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He controlled the spacing of his 'oponents',he controlled himself enough to stop before doing them real damage and maintained his poise enough not to make stupid mistakes and get himself beaten down.
But they followed him after the event to no doubt start again. He thought his girl friend was under attack. The two guys should have been made in capable of further attack. So he wasn’t good enough to do that. So he needs to work at it. Give him credit for what he did though.
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The he needs more speed more power and more techniques and automating those techniques
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Well, he had enough of all to deal with the situation he was presented with. Thats all any of us could hope for IMO.
We could all improve couldnt we? thats part of the fun of training- to become better, for ourselves and to protect our loved one's. This guy stepped up to the plate, kept his guard up, let his training kick in and took out two guys, neither of which ended up badly hurt. I respect him for that. If this clip involved me,we would all be angry at the 'big guy who kicked the guy senseless when he was on the floor- thats just not needed' or something similar.
Problem was Cord the two guys looked surprised more that hurt. When that wears off and they havent been hurt then what?
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i would be very suprised if either of those guys went after them for a quick 're-match', they were not moving quick enough or with the right body language
To me they looked either drunk or off their heads. But perhaps now they know he cant hurt them they might decide on a rematch when they are not drunk.
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for that at all, and even if they had, I suspect the outcome would have been much the same.
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One thing that keeps reoccuring to me.
is when I see stuff like this and people say it is good then perhaps it is time i reconsidered my age issue.
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I have no idea what you mean by this, but if its an inference that 'kids today' dont know how to fight, it seems ironic, seeing as how the culture of 'stomp em when they are down' has never been more prevalent- I would think you would approve?
Well Im not going to answer that one on here Cord. Just been to the gym and I’m happy with today’s progress.
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your responses are intriguing Andy, I look forward to your response
Well looks like you answered some your self . Problem is this event was recorded. In this day and age I am careful. I have a rough working knowledge of the self defence laws. So it would appear hard fast punching would in most cases keep me out of prison if im attacked and it is recorded. They cant prosecute me If I am attacked (proven ) and the attackers are knocked out by one or two punches now can they?
Edited by ANDY44 (09/26/06 03:01 PM)
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