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#287937 - 09/23/06 08:26 PM On fighting.
MRKARATE Offline
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Registered: 07/22/05
Posts: 40
Loc: Fl., USA
Hey, what's up guys. I wanted to know your guys opinion on fighting as far as tournament and dojo. I know alot of dojos don't compete in tournaments for whatever reason and alot do b/c they say it makes you a better fighter b/c of the variety of ppl you are able to fight. But I wanted know if that was true. Because if you think about it, you train in the dojo for the tournament so it's obvious that your getting good at the dojo. I just want to know b/c i want to compete in knock down and know if it was really worth it.
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#287938 - 09/23/06 08:28 PM Re: On fighting. [Re: MRKARATE]
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You know why sparring and competition can be so valuable? Because you gain EXPERIENCE. How else are you going to gain experience short of going out and picking fights?

Does that answer your question?


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#287939 - 09/23/06 08:34 PM Re: On fighting. [Re: JKogas]
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no. what i mean is, is competition really worth it or am i better just training in the dojo(s). competition has alot of hype and crooked-ness(probably not a word). but that's seems to be the only way to go (if your mind is set on competing). for instance in knockdown, the tournaments are hard, you fight ppl from around the state/nation/world. but as everyone knows, some of them are rigged i.e. andy hug, charles martin, willie williams (aka bearkiller lol). if you think about kyokushin back in the day i.e. tadashi nakamura, he competed but he became the way he was b/c of his dojo experience(s) more than his competing.
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#287940 - 09/23/06 09:19 PM Re: On fighting. [Re: MRKARATE]
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no. what i mean is, is competition really worth it or am i better just training in the dojo(s).





It doesn't answer your question.....

I'd mentioned the little thing about experience being a valuable asset and, this doesn't answer your question....

Ok. What the hell do you want anyone to SAY then if THAT DOESN'T do it?

What you are in a sense asking me is, "is gaining EXPERIENCE 'worth it'"?

The answer to THAT lies within your own brain! YOU are the SOLE person responsible for coming to a conclusion here!

Is it "worth it"? What, are you just looking for OPINIONS? That is essentially what you're asking for. Thing about that is, opinions vary. Wouldn't it be the intelligent thing to FORM YOUR OWN?!

Or maybe you want to be "spoon fed" all of the answers to life's tough questions?


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#287941 - 09/23/06 09:56 PM Re: On fighting. [Re: MRKARATE]
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MRKARATE -

I get what you are saying about tournaments. The politics and outright cheating can be very frustrating - if you give a damn.

You can still go for the "experience" of competing with unfamiliar students from unfamiliar schools. You might learn something or meet some new friends. Politics can only get to you if you let it.
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#287942 - 09/23/06 10:02 PM Re: On fighting. [Re: JKogas]
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yes its worth it. simply because u have to dodge attacks that are actually coming at u from a moving person. in the dojo, you can get that, but youre fighting your own style all the time, and get used to the same ppl all the time.
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#287943 - 09/23/06 11:08 PM Re: On fighting. [Re: MRKARATE]
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no. what i mean is, is competition really worth it or am i better just training in the dojo(s). competition has alot of hype and crooked-ness(probably not a word). but that's seems to be the only way to go (if your mind is set on competing). for instance in knockdown, the tournaments are hard, you fight ppl from around the state/nation/world. but as everyone knows, some of them are rigged i.e. andy hug, charles martin, willie williams (aka bearkiller lol). if you think about kyokushin back in the day i.e. tadashi nakamura, he competed but he became the way he was b/c of his dojo experience(s) more than his competing.





Andy Hug isnt alive anymore.

Where does the fight rigging come in?


Edited by ANDY44 (09/23/06 11:14 PM)

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#287944 - 09/24/06 08:14 AM Re: On fighting. [Re: MattJ]
MRKARATE Offline
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hey sorry if i sounded rude.. it's hard to express through a computer lol. i know the experience is valuable (i had already known that) but that's exactly what i mean. do you get more experience from the dojo or the outside competing world. you have to prepare in a dojo for the outside right? And about the andy hug thing....that was just an example of how someone got screwed over...
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#287945 - 09/24/06 09:44 AM Re: On fighting. [Re: MRKARATE]
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Fighting people you are not familiar with, helps you to gain good reflexes and test your fighting skill.
However the familiar training environment is the place to prepare to such an encounter. I have a lot of respect for people entering the knock-down circuit and finding a good trainer and good sparring partners is already half the preparation.
I do not know if you have skill categories like in most european MT or kickbox/K1 categories (C-class B-class A-class). You could try to play sparring partner for regular competitors in a class higher than yourselve to gain some extra experience in fighting technique and speed.
Putting yourselve to the test in tournament is a must to get better at tournament fighting and has merrit in overall fighting experience.
But do not neglect the basics. Basics need to be trained more then everything else and you best do that with people that know you and can push you further.
Ultimately, it's a mix of both I think. Not so much the competition but to gain experience by sparring/competing people unfamiliar with the intent to push your limit as well as getting your skill tested in a controlled environment will benefit you i.m.o. To achieve that, you must train the basics in a familiar environment.

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#287946 - 09/24/06 12:53 PM Re: On fighting. [Re: MRKARATE]
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Yea, it can help gain experience but you don't wanna be a tournement addict because most of the stuff is light contact patty cake crap. So unless you wanna do that, then only go to a couple of them for the experience. But if wanna compete in full contact, that's a different story because full contact is more realistic.
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