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#287089 - 09/20/06 06:18 PM Where did "chi ball" come from?
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My question is where did all of this "Chi ball" stuff come from? I do know Chi has been mentioned for generations but I never remember hearing about it as an actual form of being which many claim to control. I've read a lot of books on the Martial Arts and I never remember hearing one that describes Chi as such, nor do I remember reading the importance of being able to control it to the extent many claim to.

I don't mean to bash any claims or studies that involve the manipulation of your bodies energy, I just want to know where it all came from.

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#287090 - 09/20/06 06:20 PM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: MastaFighta]
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Anime.
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#287091 - 09/20/06 06:29 PM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: MattJ]
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Anime.



To be honest, that's what I thought too. Especially shows like Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.

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#287092 - 09/20/06 11:34 PM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: MastaFighta]
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my kids used to watch 'ultraman' reruns in the 90's - a series from the 60's/70's that was put to video tape. ...If I'm not mistaken, ultraman used to hurl chi balls as well. except he was a spaceman - so perhaps that was different 'energy' ?? maybe those were reactor balls/beam or something, cant remember. cheezy as all hell. the guy had some moves though...looked like he had maybe a year of karate and maybe some dabbling in judo. lol
http://www.smithedantas.com.br/texto/ultraman.jpg
http://www.scifijapan.com/MIPTV/UltramanMax02b.jpg

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#287093 - 09/21/06 11:33 PM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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my kids used to watch 'ultraman' reruns in the 90's - a series from the 60's/70's that was put to video tape. ...If I'm not mistaken, ultraman used to hurl chi balls as well. except he was a spaceman - so perhaps that was different 'energy' ?? maybe those were reactor balls/beam or something, cant remember. cheezy as all hell. the guy had some moves though...looked like he had maybe a year of karate and maybe some dabbling in judo. lol
http://www.smithedantas.com.br/texto/ultraman.jpg
http://www.scifijapan.com/MIPTV/UltramanMax02b.jpg



I remember seeing that show a very long time ago.

If the whole concept of "Chi balls" is based on what someone saw on television, then what's the point of trying to emulate it? Wouldn't it be a useless thing to learn? I don't think it would do anyone any good in a real fight.

I remember seeing this show some time ago that went around debunking ridiculous claims, and one of them was some "master" of Chi who claimed to control his energy. First he demonstrated his "skill" on his students and they all were knocked out or felt the force from the technique. Then they took him to another school in which the students weren't effected at all by his techniques. To make things even more interesting, he tried covering for himself by saying that it only works on a certain percentage of people.

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#287094 - 09/26/06 10:16 AM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: MastaFighta]
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The concept of a "chi ball" dates back thousands of years and comes from mysticism. It started out as the general descripter of an "energy ball" and from that main grouping came subdivisions, "cold ball", "heat ball", "chi ball", etc. Each type of energy was used as a name for the concentration of that particular type of energy. Because of the higher focus on the material/etheric side of life in MA, the continued instruction on chi lead to the rise of a chi ball focus amongst energy working martial artists over other types.

There is no reason for it not able to be controlled. Everything is energy, you can direct electrical impulses to follow the path of the nervous system to different parts of your body. You're controlling the energy that makes up you to get the electrical impulses to get to a particular spot. When you look at the human body as an energy field and the surrounding environment, you'll see energy fields are in constant contact, whether you are on a planet or are floating in space. You radiate energy, so why couldn't you concentrate it and send it off somewhere?

In the circumstances involving chi, it enhances all body functions, which is why higher concentrations are aimed for. The level you can sustain from one moment to the next over an extended period of time is determined by the skill you've developed.

Edit: The thing with movement is that, the greater sensitivity you have a particular type of energy (in this case chi), the more you will react to it. It's your own body's perception of it. If something is difficult to perceive, the less you will react to it. Take adrenaline. That dulls pain and increases stamina, letting you keep going after taking a higher level of punishment you couldn't take, if there wasn't the increased adrenaline levels. This is a temporary version of what's going on with chi. It's a chi-chi interaction and because of the more fine a degree the energy exists at, it takes a much larger amount of it to manipulate things that are more material, which have a less finer existence. The reason you'll see someone drop or flail around or whatever is because of that person's connection between their material body and the finer degree of energy of their chi reacting to the chi-chi interaction.

That's how it works. The thing in public belief of it not being real is that there are many con artists and people who will fake it, even when they know it's true. The energy is also hard to detect because our current sensing equipment is not built to detect it directly. The best we can currently do is detect it indirectly through the EM field given off by objects, but that isn't scientific evidense either, so it's dismissed as not being evidence because there is no apparent evidence of it existing, which is why there are nonbelievers, which'll happen.

That being said, damage can still be done by someone projecting/using a large amount of energy on someone that even has a low sensitivity to chi.


Edited by RonH (09/26/06 10:31 AM)

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#287095 - 09/26/06 10:21 AM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: RonH]
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#287096 - 09/26/06 10:46 AM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: RonH]
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Quote by RonH -

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That being said, damage can still be done by someone projecting/using a large amount of energy on someone that even has a low sensitivity to chi.




Oh.

My.

God.

Please tell me you are not trying to say that chi-zaps and whatnot are real.
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#287097 - 09/26/06 12:08 PM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: RonH]
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That being said, damage can still be done by someone projecting/using a large amount of energy on someone that even has a low sensitivity to chi.



what is your source/basis for this statement? over-active imagination or hallucenigens?

1. give evidence of anyone ever damaging anything with just their 'chi'.

2. give evidence of how 'chi sensitivity' is measured.

no need to answer...you can't. I understand.

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#287098 - 09/26/06 12:57 PM Re: Where did "chi ball" come from? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed, Matt. I am not a mod or have ever been one, so politeness, which I usually carry in plentitude, is not required here. Bull $hit!

Come on, you guys really wanted to say that, didn't you?

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