Pardon the spelling. This is phonetic spelling for a Nick Cerio Kenpo kata. If there are any Nick Cerio people out there, could you please tell me if this was ever a sword kata? It is taught as empty hands kata but many of the moves suggests sword use. Thank you.

Nick Cerio kenpo was the first system of kenpo that i studied for about two years. Unfortunately i had to move and was unable to continue studying this system. Im afraid I have not heard of that kata

hello i have been studying in nick cerios kenpo for 13 years, well, what is now kensho-ryu kenpo, after he passed away. i learned lin wan kune about a year and a half ago, and it is not intended for sword. Professor use to teach this kata principally to the students who had a hard time loosening their hips and getting their hips into their moment. working out of a horse during the whole kata can be rather exhausting, but it is a good disciplinary kata.

Kensho ryu was the name of the system of Cerio kenpo i studied

Hmmm This is curious. Everyone I know who knows this kata learned it for empty hands. My teacher hypothesized that the source the Professor used, may have had it as a sword kata at one time. Many of the moves look this way.

Yes I like the moves from the horse stance. They offer many of the training benefits as the Tekki/Nahanchi katas.

Lin Wan Kune is new to me. I am still learning it. What are your ideas about the large extended arm circles done with the right arm? These particular moves look like sword moves and I don't find them in the other Cerio empty hand katas that I know. This is certainly a facinating kata.

This term "Lin Wan" (pronounced in cantonese) is found in the Forms of many traditional chinese martial arts. "Kune" simply means training method in this context.

Lin (or 'Lian' in mandarin) means to connect, link, join together or doing something continously in succession one after another.

Wan (or 'Huan' in mandarin) means to return, to repay, to give back.

Putting the three words Lin Wan Kune together, and in the context of a MA Form meant for combat, you will get the idea of a training method for countering an attack with an immediate counter-attack continously and successively without pause.

It is not surprising that the Form you mentioned could be a weapon Form, as there is a Form called Lin Wan Dao (broadsword)in some chinese systems. In fact you can have Lin Wan Kun (cudgel) Lin Wan Gim (sword); in fact Lin Wan anything, as in countering a point of arguement in a debate.

The Form you mentioned says "Kune" This suggests to me that it is an empty hand Form as this term is specifically used for non-weapons Form with strength and body conditioning moves thrown in.

Lastly, wide and circular arm swings in an empty hand Form suggests throws or takedowns if it does not look like a strike. Also you mentioned the liberal use of the horse stance; another indication of a non-weapons Form.

Thank you. That is an informative reply. I'm sending it to my teacher so we can continue the discussion. I'm enjoying working this kata and making a "kata" out of it. As stated, it is new to me and it has to marinate in my muscles and brain before it looks like much.

Just a small addition.

The chinese use the term "kuen" (fist) to denote a Form that has combat techniques only and "kune" or "kung" to denote a Form meant for body conditioning or strength building with minimal combat application.

For weapons Form, it usually ends with the name of the weapon, and usually something fanciful like "Ng Hang Chet Sing Gim" -- Five Element, Seven Star Sword; the Five Element to denote that the Form has all the attributes of the Five Elements (gold, wood, water, fire, earth) and the Seven Star to denote that it was inspired by some heavenly forces.

That is good. So the strange arm movements that look like they should be handling a sword or throwing a soap on a rope may be there to train the whipping motion from floor through the girdle meridian and into the hands. They may be there for conditioning. Thank you so much. What a difference language makes.

the hand motions may seem to incorporate sword, but they dont. what is your style? who is your instructor?