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#286093 - 09/17/06 06:42 AM 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries?
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So in TKD we do patterns and perform our techniques in the 'air' (read: with no resistence). Now I always want to kick and punch my best (technique must result in full power right?), but I feel my joints, especially my left knee, begins to hurt and 'shift', especially when I do a Dollyo Chagi.
Can it be the technique that needs some adjustments or do I just have to hold back? Anyone else got simulair problems?


Edited by sgtZipper (09/17/06 06:44 AM)

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#286094 - 09/17/06 07:01 AM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: sgtZipper]
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I believe the patterns done in the 'air' you speak of is called kata.
I don't do TKD, but you either may have something wrong with your joints or you really might need to improve your technique. I don't know the likelyhood of your joints hurting and shifting if the technique isn't right ... you could ask your master. But it's most likely something to do with your joints, so have them checked out.

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#286095 - 09/17/06 07:21 AM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: Marishiten]
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lol kata hurting your joints? come on.. He probably means they have to shadow box kind of thing, If it were me id hold back a bit, dont kick at full force when you kick the air lol, ive done my knee in once when i side kicked the air really fast. So yeah, take it easy.
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#286096 - 09/17/06 07:27 AM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: crablord]
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yes and it's probably worth mentioning that the point isn't to kick/punch as hard as you can. If your form and technique isn't up to par yet with what it's supposed to be, I advise working on that first.

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#286097 - 09/17/06 07:31 AM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: Marishiten]
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yep, if they wanted you to hit hard theyd make you hit a bag. Bag = Hard - Air = Technique
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#286098 - 09/17/06 07:42 AM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: Marishiten]
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I'm talking about performing kicks during Tuls (the 'kata' like patterns) and random practice. It is not that I am kicking my hardest without thinking about technique, contrariwise I DO kick using good technique (not that I kick so hard that I get unbalanced), but I meant maybe my joints can't take the 'power' provided by the technique?
So I just wanted to know, do you guys have any problems with this? I guess I already know the answer to my problem, which is to take it easy on the joints;)

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#286099 - 09/17/06 07:43 AM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: crablord]
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I suspect you punch or kick to "full extension" in the air, and throw all that force to your joints. Keeping the joints slightly flexed will alleviate much of that problem or eliminate it all together.

Keeping your hip back while kicking can also cause the mechanics of your kick to be incorrect and cause the angle you're trying to execute the kick to stress the knees. Talk to your sensei and have them watch what you're doing and correct your body posture.

If you don't get any changes, you might want to have it medically examined to see if its a medical problem.

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#286100 - 09/17/06 07:53 AM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: wristtwister]
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Ok, thanks, the hip might indeed be the cause of the knee 'snapping'. So what you are saying is to 'throw' the hip more forwards? I recall one of my Sabums mentioning it.
I think the problems began recently when I bought a punching bag, when kicking it I forgot to think about the technique, I was just bringing op the leg instead of first pulling my knee up. So in practice I had to start all over again, because the technique was all gone. When training for the 1st degree I got some notes from my Sabums, so I'd check them out, because maybe there might be some pointers.
Thanks, you somehow got me thinking haha

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#286101 - 09/17/06 01:56 PM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: sgtZipper]
wristtwister Offline
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One of the first things we teach students in karate is to roll their lower hips forward with any kicking technique. That essentially puts your hip joint vertical with the floor, rather than over your heel and pointed at your toe. It frees up the mechanics of the kick considerably. FWIW

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#286102 - 09/17/06 02:25 PM Re: 'Air' punching and kicking result in injuries? [Re: sgtZipper]
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So I went through the notes I got from my Sabums, and indeed there was a note for the Dollyo Chagi. Like you said, the hip is ought to be in that direction, so that the heel of the foot is pointed upwards (I was doing this wrong already haha). Well I hope this will solve the problem of the Dollyo, though I will still hold back on kicking too hard, because I first want the knee to restore. So I think this was a matter of technique.

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