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#285032 - 09/26/06 03:25 AM Re: Questions about Kyokushin/others sparring [Re: TheFinalOption]
nelsdogg Offline

Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 11
Loc: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Hey TheFinalOption,

Yes, I currently practise Kyokushin Karate and I am a 2nd kyu (brown belt), due for grading for a black belt within a month.

I'm under 18 so I am not allowed to participate in full contact fighting.

#285033 - 09/26/06 09:23 AM Re: Questions about Kyokushin/others sparring [Re: nelsdogg]
kensai1 Offline

Registered: 09/04/06
Posts: 52
Loc: Ohio
the final option,
the cool thing about fighting black kings is it has kancho joko ninomiya in it training for competition. he did not compete because he slashed his hand with a katana. kancho ninomiya helped developed ashihara karate here in the states. then he started his own schools called enshin karate (the honbu is denver, co). he also started the sabaki challenge.

i brought up the fighting black kings because it shows jiyu kumite in the dojo and the competition excellent. some things change in the dojo, but i think most stay the same.

fighting black kings is a documentary about a kyokushin competition in japan that allows other styles of ma to compete. it also shows the various disciplines training for the tournament. kungfu pretty much gets decimated.

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#285034 - 09/26/06 03:38 PM Re: Questions about Kyokushin/others sparring [Re: kensai1]
TheFinalOption Offline

Registered: 09/04/06
Posts: 55
Loc: Colorado
He slashed his hand with a katana? Man, he's lucky he didn't just chop the thing off completely...katanas are serious business...

As for kung fu getting decimated...I've seen it happen before...but it seems to happen more often in high-level sparring, where the karate guys are really good. It just seems like a really flashy system like kung fu is kindof at a disadvantage fighting a simpler, more to-the-point karate system. Not that I have anything against kung fu- I almost got KO'ed by a kung fu guy once. Me and my silly clear belt
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#285035 - 09/26/06 03:58 PM Re: Questions about Kyokushin/others sparring [Re: TheFinalOption]
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 3012
Loc: Torrance, CA
First, I think one has to be open to the reason for the movie, the Fighting Black Kings. It was a marketing instrument in many ways similar to an info-mercial.

That said, Kyokushin is a good style and Mas Oyama was basically expressing his idea of hard hitting karate and wanted to demonstrate this concept with respect to the point tournaments that were the matches de jour in the karate world at that time.

Also, Kung Fu was dramatized in a poor showing for a reason. The selection of these Kung Fu practioners does not reflect the adeptness that others practioners show. Again, healthy marketing. Would you show someone else's product to be equivalent or better than your own?

As for the demo with the sword. That is crap and would/should never be attempted by someone. It's a demo and the sword weilder does marginally slow down as he makes his cut toward the karate-ka.

What the Fighting Black Kings does have for it is showcasing early Kyokushin. BTW, the technical abilities and movements of the higher level modern Kyokushin player far surpaases what is seen on that video.


#285036 - 09/26/06 04:20 PM Re: Questions about Kyokushin/others sparring [Re: butterfly]
kensai1 Offline

Registered: 09/04/06
Posts: 52
Loc: Ohio
hi butterfly,
i totally agree with you it was very much a movie on marketing kyokushin but it was highly entertaining for me.

as for the kungfu guy it was really sad, and i agree with you there are much better disciplines in kungfu that would have faired better. i have dabbed a bit in wahlum kungfu, so i definately know what you mean.

i apologize i did not mean to get into the discussions of movie documentaries. i just was to pointing out that i remember the dojo kumite scenes in the movie and how they might relate. but on the quick discussion can you get budo: the art of killing on dvd yet.

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#285037 - 09/26/06 05:40 PM Re: Questions about Kyokushin/others sparring [Re: kensai1]
butterfly Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 3012
Loc: Torrance, CA
Hey, Kensai!

No problem on my side. I posted my take on this video for the simple reason that some folk viewing this might imbue it with more importance than it deserves.

I have practiced with a few Kyokushin people in my time and they don't go out and bust heads for fun and sport, but they do practice well and I appreciate their take on karate.

However, some might look at the movie and feel awkard about what is being presented or take exception to it...especially if comparing this to their own styles.

I just wanted to bring a friendly reminder that not all videos are there as impartial expressions of a particular art, but serve the purpose of embellishment, or at least high lighting certain aspects of a style over others.


#285038 - 10/14/06 01:24 AM Re: Questions about Kyokushin/others sparring [Re: butterfly]
Emeraldstorm Offline

Registered: 10/14/06
Posts: 1
Hey guys,

Does anyone know of any Kyokushin schools in Ohio? I searched yellowpages but that was horribly futile. Thanks for any info!!

#285039 - 10/14/06 08:16 PM Re: Questions about Kyokushin/others sparring [Re: kensai1]
medulanet Offline
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Registered: 09/03/03
Posts: 2142
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona USA
No, Ninomiya did compete and took third place.

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