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#284028 - 09/12/06 10:50 AM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: harlan]
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good point

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#284029 - 09/12/06 01:05 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Is building houses the only use for trees? Is slaughtering and eating the only use for cows? Chop chop. Stumps and dead flesh.

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#284030 - 09/12/06 01:12 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: WuXing]
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But WuXing...even that observation is useful. (Death and destruction are the most obvious objects for contemplation.) Some will see the sense in that statement before they are sitting in a totally destroyed world. Others...well...another lifetime.

What can you do?

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#284031 - 09/12/06 01:23 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: harlan]
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Not chopping down trees, and not eating cows does a lot more than trying to explain why to people. When they get it, they get it. This is The Point.

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#284032 - 09/12/06 01:33 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: WuXing]
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If truth, even partial truth where the rational mind seeks to understand the measurable reality at hand, is reflective of a larger, grander truth---it’s still doesn’t placate the “truth” one experiences in the now.

A poor Bangladeshi child that hasn’t eaten in a day is concerned with the reality of filling his belly despite all the efforts of all the philosophers in all the caves of all the mountains of the world to weave an understanding of why the “real” path may explain his condition.

So no, sometimes a tree exists because it exists, or because it grants shade, or gives beauty, or is enjoyed for its own sake. But sometimes a cow is many, many steaks and leather sandals.

-B


Edited by butterfly (09/12/06 02:10 PM)

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#284033 - 09/12/06 01:39 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: WuXing]
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But if that was a criteria to 'getting it'...then even the ancients would not have 'gotten it'. Enlightenment isn't limited to nice people, or even vegetarians that live in straw huts.

Have to work with what is.

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Not chopping down trees, and not eating cows does a lot more than trying to explain why to people. When they get it, they get it. This is The Point.



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#284034 - 09/12/06 02:08 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: harlan]
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That's not the point, it was symbolic. Maybe there isn't a point. Keep on chopping away. Eventually the right things will get chopped, and we all realize where we are.

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#284035 - 09/12/06 02:10 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: WuXing]
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#284036 - 09/12/06 02:15 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: harlan]
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Nuts fall.

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#284037 - 09/12/06 02:18 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: oldman]
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You have to ask Brian Stone about that.

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