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#284038 - 09/12/06 02:44 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: WuXing]
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"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts we make the world.
Speak or act with an impure mind
And trouble will follow you
As the wheel follows the ox that draws the cart.

We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts we make the world.
Speak or act with a pure mind
And happiness will follow you
As your shadow, unshakable.
How can a troubled mind
Understand the way?

Your worst enemy cannot harm you
As much as your own thoughts, unguarded.

But once mastered,
No one can help you as much,
Not even your father or mother."

The Dhammapada

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#284039 - 09/12/06 02:53 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: harlan]
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Hey, I thought we were what we ate.

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#284040 - 09/12/06 03:06 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: butterfly]
harlan Offline
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What do you think you are eating?

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#284041 - 09/12/06 03:25 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: harlan]
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Nothing as ethereal as the cosmic understanding of life. Baiscally, a #30 sandwhich from Togos (turkey club with the works and only a touch of mayonaise).

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#284042 - 09/12/06 03:52 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: butterfly]
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Turkey...? you don't say.

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#284043 - 09/12/06 03:55 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: oldman]
butterfly Offline
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I have been called (and eaten) much worse, with some questions of ancestory associated with it.

Turkey? I'll take that, any day!

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#284044 - 09/12/06 05:00 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: butterfly]
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saw a bumper sticker today:

"club sandwiches, not seals."

'club' sandwiches are with meat...so in effect, they are saying it's ok to kill a turkey or steer - but leave those cute little seals alone.

kindof follows the same line of thinking when one minute, people can say 'everything just is' ...but then carefully manage their budget and track stocks planning for retirement.

people tend to use philosophies to their conveinence...not as a true way of life. we are all hypocrites

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#284045 - 09/12/06 05:11 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Hypocrites?

Speak for yourself! (I happen to know you should be in karate class at this moment.)

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#284046 - 09/12/06 06:54 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: harlan]
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Hey, at least some of us are honest about our hypocrisy. That's grabbing the Yin Yang by the horns: being true to ourselves; and acknowledging that we aren't.

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#284047 - 09/12/06 07:35 PM Re: Gradual and Sudden Enlightenment [Re: butterfly]
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Yes...well...delusion takes all forms. One can believe in personal integrity, of never lying to one's self, and yet be completely blind to ones failings/weak spots.

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