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#283547 - 09/08/06 03:51 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: crablord]
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that video was alright, but i doubt even they would try to pull that off in the street, find me a vid where someone beats someone with shoes on






I suppose in the caveman thread they wouldnt have worn them?
Any how shouldnt that mean tight trousers/kilts?




Why do all these guys who get knocked out while competing all have their hands low? First thing I had drummed in to me many moons ago was to keep my hands up. Particuler if they knew the other guy had good high kicking skills. I think I will realy real consider getting in to ashi hari or kyokishin competition.





Still considering.





Even more consideration going on.




Well considered it and now eating




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#283548 - 09/08/06 04:02 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: ANDY44]
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uhh.. anyone, i meant find me a video where the person wearing shoes wins with a kick
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#283549 - 09/08/06 04:17 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: crablord]
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ok


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#283550 - 09/08/06 04:20 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: ANDY44]
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lol youll be at it for months , and bruce lee vs a drunk midget doesnt count
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#283551 - 09/08/06 04:27 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: crablord]
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#283552 - 09/08/06 05:05 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: crablord]
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crab,

Wrong question, ' i doubt even they would try to pull that off in the street'.

Obviously you're unaware that many chinese systems only practice in shoes or boots. They use the strentgh of their footware, and the Northern systems have kicking skills that the Korean's don't even approach. Those skills are both in low kicking and high kicking and dynamic spinning ariel kicks with up to 720 degree turns.

BTW, those skills are not today's wushu ones, but ones for fighting with appropriate choice of technique for the situation.

Becase of arthritis I've only practiced in shoes for over 20 years now.

You need to rethink you premise.
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#283553 - 09/08/06 05:58 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: Victor Smith]
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im not saying shoes make it impossible to kick, im saying they make it harder, its far harder to do a fast hard kick with shoes on than bare feet. Its a considerable disadvantage to most people, ( except the styles you mentioned)
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#283554 - 09/08/06 06:28 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: ANDY44]
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Why do all these guys who get knocked out while competing all have their hands low? First thing I had drummed in to me many moons ago was to keep my hands up. Particuler if they knew the other guy had good high kicking skills. I think I will realy real consider getting in to ashi hari or kyokishin competition.




In my experience, they appear to have their hands low because they've either just been nailed by something and are still recovering, or because someone has thrown a feint or a few body shots to encourage a drop in the guard. It may be that they could have delt with the situation wihtout comprimising their defense, but I honestly think that the vast majority of people will drop their guards at some point in a fight and on these occasions they have paid for it.

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#283555 - 09/08/06 06:54 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: crablord]
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im not saying shoes make it impossible to kick, im saying they make it harder, its far harder to do a fast hard kick with shoes on than bare feet. Its a considerable disadvantage to most people, ( except the styles you mentioned)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYTlmKy4NUs

I nearly always train kicks in shoes,loose jeans, training bottoms unless at the dojo.

My favourite being
mae geri keage Jodan,Chudan, gedan one after the other.


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#283556 - 09/08/06 07:02 AM Re: High kicks... look great, but less fulfillin [Re: Supremor]
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Quote:

Why do all these guys who get knocked out while competing all have their hands low? First thing I had drummed in to me many moons ago was to keep my hands up. Particuler if they knew the other guy had good high kicking skills. I think I will realy real consider getting in to ashi hari or kyokishin competition.




In my experience, they appear to have their hands low because they've either just been nailed by something and are still recovering, or because someone has thrown a feint or a few body shots to encourage a drop in the guard. It may be that they could have delt with the situation wihtout comprimising their defense, but I honestly think that the vast majority of people will drop their guards at some point in a fight and on these occasions they have paid for it.




I think your right but they dont seem to block, parry move or out of the way. I think i have only seen a few instances where the one getting knocked out was set up or pushed /knocked off balance. They just seem to hang there hands down waiting and seemingly relying on getting out of the way. But they dont.

Years ago (here we go) when i was competing it was realy hard to get in close against a good hard kicker.People with not so hard kicks ok.

Any way I will have to see how I do.


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