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#282908 - 11/14/08 09:49 PM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: janxspirit]
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I'd avoid the cat stance however.




Very wise. The right karate man is very dangerous when utilizing its principles in fighting. Very wise indeed.
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#282909 - 11/18/08 04:33 AM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: medulanet]
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I'd avoid the cat stance however.




Very wise. The right karate man is very dangerous when utilizing its principles in fighting. Very wise indeed.




My head instructor was a master in the utilization of the cat stance imo.
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#282910 - 11/19/08 11:20 AM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: harlan]
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bump

Just found this. Have to say...I had no use for cat-stance until some recent bunkai opened my eyes. Now...I reeaaally hate the stance...as I can see how incredible it is for power generation and how far I have to go to get good at it.

A new goal for the upcoming year.



As with many other techniques, I've recently discovered that a correct cat stance causes pain on both the training and receiving ends. *slinks off to tend to aching leg muscles*
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#282911 - 12/09/08 12:53 PM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: ANDY44]
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Try this on the bag and in training the cat stance is in almost all the arts that I've studied from Indo, Filipino, to Jujitsu, Boxing and most Karate. It's just not a frozen position it's almost a natural responce to avoid an attack while staying close. It is done in a blink of an eye instead of a posture that you can see in a Kata.

If some one struck at your face or lower abdomen one short natural responce would be to pull your head back while sliding your feet to one side or the other or straight back for a second. Maybe leaving the front foot pointing at him. An feint or attack at the midriff might naturally cause you to suck in your waist/hips taking the midriff slightly out of range. In a conflict the cat stance technique can be as subtle as pivioting away on the front foot to take the head & or body out of range or deflecting the blow with the body or making it miss as we do when weaving or in Kurarunfa and immeadiately turning back in to strike with a power strike. Or using the pivot to strike as we defend/counter.

Some of us old timers may remember Jersey Joe Walcot's counter offensive move where he would pivot or step away avoid being hit or confuse and return with a devestating right hand. This is the same movement I see in Cat stance but there is a difference in application and whats seen in Kata. One is frozen the other is done in the blink of an eye almost naturally. Almost like the philosophy like a mirror respond, or now you see me now you don't. This can be a very powerful move along with the element of surprises.
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#282912 - 12/10/08 12:29 PM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: medulanet]
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Hello Medulant:

Dislike the foreign terminology as IMHO being completely unnecessary. Lets try explaining the various terms you use in better detail so we don't have to play the ~do not speak Japanese~ game... that's completely artificial!

Better explaination will give us all the same information to start from.

Jeff

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#282913 - 12/10/08 03:54 PM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: Ronin1966]
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Simply put, cat stance provides a platform for explosive power in multiple directions. I am not, however, referring to the 90/10 weight distribution cat stance where you have to be able to balance on one foot for an hour. This type of stance and training causes one to be "stuck" in your stance and is only useful for those with highly developed athletic ability. And they don't really need karate in the first place.
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#282914 - 12/10/08 09:11 PM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: medulanet]
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ditto

I thought 'cat stance' was a static pose...now I have an inkling of the power it generates in certain dynamics.

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#282915 - 12/10/08 09:38 PM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: harlan]
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"now I have an inkling of the power it generates in certain dynamics."

can i ask what dynamics your talking about? i'm not sure i follow what your implying a dynamic is exactly.
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#282916 - 12/15/08 07:05 PM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: student_of_life]
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Med, what weight distribution do you use?
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#282917 - 12/15/08 10:13 PM Re: Kata, cat stance, and power generation [Re: Shonuff]
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Weight of the body is centered over the back leg. Weight of the front leg is on the front foot.
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