Ok so what about a debte for counters of techniques say


http://www.judoinfo.com/images/video/santani/morotegari.mov

scenario in a cage with a guy who has tattoos and no hair
is about to do this technique on one of you guys
what would you do?

other scenario on the street /bar/night club?

Counter's from any martial art?

Better than debating which MA is the better

I'm sure anone with grappling experience will be yelling "SPRAWL!!" Andy.

how about losing? is losing an option?

Hey sorry guys. I have been studying for an exam i have next week. I would like to thank everyone for responding. I can tell I really [censored] some people off. So, check this out. The clip I showed really has no relevance to the argument I was so poorly trying to make. In fact, the night I wrote that post, I was extremely tired and had some drinks in me. Let me re-iterrate my point more clearly... When I refer to the term "cross-training", I don't mean competition MMA training. Ya sure the stuff is cool to watch, but not everything used in the ring will work in a real confrontation. Although, you can learn some good things from those guys. What I mean when I say cross-training, I am talking about just using the effective aspects of a martial art and applying them with effective aspects of another. About the TMA aspect of my argument, I just don't feel like the things that some dojo's are teaching people can really work. One thing that I have seen people posting that I feel is really important is that it depends on the individual and how they train that depends on whether or not a certain art will be effective. Now, TMA's are great, they really do have a purpose, however, some schools hold their traditions higher than the actualy "techniques" they are teaching. Now, from a self-defense/ fighting point of view, when dealing with such things, I do not think it is all that important to stress tradition over things that are effective. For example, if there is a certain technique that a school teaches which has become ineffective over time, then why continue to teach it?

I know this may seem very contradictory to my original arguement, which is cool, because I was definately in the right state of mind to post, which is a lesson I will hold on to.