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#282620 - 09/04/06 05:35 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
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Andy, you need only to post the link once.

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#282621 - 09/04/06 06:01 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: JoelM]
ANDY44 Offline
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ok


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#282622 - 09/04/06 06:19 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: migo]
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Sure, for that kind of takedown, wouldn't work on one with a good level change and straight back though.




Ok so what is you solution?


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#282623 - 09/04/06 09:39 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
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Take freestyle wrestling and Judo or Sambo, you'll learn the defenses through the natural course of training. You're not going to be able to defend a good takedown just from a technique you've learned from a video clip or description if you haven't drilled it a few thousand times against someone who's good at takedowns.

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#282624 - 09/05/06 05:11 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: migo]
ANDY44 Offline
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Take freestyle wrestling and Judo or Sambo, you'll learn the defenses through the natural course of training. You're not going to be able to defend a good takedown just from a technique you've learned from a video clip or description if you haven't drilled it a few thousand times against someone who's good at takedowns.





Hi Done that

I have my take down defences .They tend to work quite well.
Normaly against some vale tudo types

I enjoy sparring with them when at Ju jitsu training .

Just trying to start a topic of conversation seems as usual some people dont want to discuss techniques? Or they would rather critise "old" TMA,s techniques.?


Interesting!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgKRt81khM&NR

Nice take down on here






Edited by ANDY44 (09/05/06 07:36 AM)

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#282625 - 09/05/06 08:39 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
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And the question of Modern/Traditional goes on.

A couple of things you might find of interest that happened on the recent East Coast get together.

I had been asked to do something for the first session and had thought about a number of topics. I was reading a martial arts related book the week before and found a couple of quotes that made me decide to change my mind as to the topics I would cover. They were:

"Touch upon all of the arts"

"Develop a discerning eye in all matters."

"Take the initiative"

The book I was reading , "The Lone Samurai, The life of Miyamoto Musashi" and the quotes were from the authors (William Scott Wilson) translation of the Book of 5 rings.

I found it interesting that what some people are claiming to be new principles had been considered by a guy some 500 years previously and applied directly to modern day enthusiasts arguments.

In addition at the get together, Big Rob was giving a brief look at his RSBD work. There is no doubt that Rob's stuff would be considered "Modern" in it's approach to self defense work. I was paired with Rob's brother for a part of the day and vigorously applied Rob's "Shredder" during an exercise. This wouldn't have caused comment, but this was done before Rob had taught his part of the Seminar. It was just a move that I use in my "Traditional" karate training. (It is worth noting that Rob doesn't claim that his work is old/new, traditional/non traditional. Simply what he does)

The more I study Martial Arts, the more I find that Modern and Traditional do not exist. It just depends on the people involved and what they do, regardless of time.
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#282626 - 09/05/06 08:53 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: JohnL]
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Quote by JohnL -

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The more I study Martial Arts, the more I find that Modern and Traditional do not exist. It just depends on the people involved and what they do, regardless of time.




Well put, John. My experience has been the same.
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#282627 - 09/05/06 09:42 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: JohnL]
ANDY44 Offline
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And the question of Modern/Traditional goes on.

A couple of things you might find of interest that happened on the recent East Coast get together.

I had been asked to do something for the first session and had thought about a number of topics. I was reading a martial arts related book the week before and found a couple of quotes that made me decide to change my mind as to the topics I would cover. They were:

"Touch upon all of the arts"

"Develop a discerning eye in all matters."

"Take the initiative"

The book I was reading , "The Lone Samurai, The life of Miyamoto Musashi" and the quotes were from the authors (William Scott Wilson) translation of the Book of 5 rings.

I found it interesting that what some people are claiming to be new principles had been considered by a guy some 500 years previously and applied directly to modern day enthusiasts arguments.

In addition at the get together, Big Rob was giving a brief look at his RSBD work. There is no doubt that Rob's stuff would be considered "Modern" in it's approach to self defense work. I was paired with Rob's brother for a part of the day and vigorously applied Rob's "Shredder" during an exercise. This wouldn't have caused comment, but this was done before Rob had taught his part of the Seminar. It was just a move that I use in my "Traditional" karate training. (It is worth noting that Rob doesn't claim that his work is old/new, traditional/non traditional. Simply what he does)

The more I study Martial Arts, the more I find that Modern and Traditional do not exist. It just depends on the people involved and what they do, regardless of time.





Totaly agree

seems like a good seminar

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#282628 - 09/05/06 01:43 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: JohnL]
migo Offline
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The more I study Martial Arts, the more I find that Modern and Traditional do not exist. It just depends on the people involved and what they do, regardless of time.




Lately I've been thinking that distinguishing between Sedentary Martial Arts and Non-Sedentary Martial Arts would be better.

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#282629 - 09/05/06 01:48 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: migo]
Xibalba Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

The more I study Martial Arts, the more I find that Modern and Traditional do not exist. It just depends on the people involved and what they do, regardless of time.




Lately I've been thinking that distinguishing between Sedentary Martial Arts and Non-Sedentary Martial Arts would be better.




My deadly Couch-po-ta-do is the best! Your lame Nin-ten-do would never work on the streetz!!

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