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#282610 - 09/04/06 08:47 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
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effective aspects of a martial art and applying them with effective aspects of another. About the TMA aspect of my argument, I just don't feel like the things that some dojo's are teaching people can really work. One thing that I have seen people posting that I feel is really important is that it depends on the individual and how they train that depends on whether or not a certain art will be effective. Now, TMA's are great, they really do have a purpose, however, some schools hold their traditions higher than the actualy "techniques" they are teaching. Now, from a self-defense/ fighting point of view, when dealing with such things, I do not think it is all that important to stress tradition over things that are effective. For example, if there is a certain technique that a school teaches which has become ineffective over time, then why continue to teach it?







.

I look at a lot of the so called modern methods and see in there techniques that are in TMA.

From my point of view you would have to post a specific TMA technique that you think is out dated

Thanks










Any number of standing wristlocks, in my experience there are more wristlocks that people can't pull off against resisting opponents than they can.

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#282611 - 09/04/06 08:54 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
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In a real fight. you would grab his ears on the way down, for eg.. That is what Trad fighting teaches you. Remember no rules. You have to survive, if you lose you might not be alive to post here again.

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#282612 - 09/04/06 10:19 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: MikeC]
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5 pages in and even *I* haven't gotten involved in this debate. This is because most people aren't interested in the truth but in simply arguing their biased views with little regard for rational thought. Of course, that is NEVER the case with *me*....


But I digress.


There's nothing new under the sun. "Modern" wrestling has been around for thousands upon thousands of years.

It's all in how you train, not "what" you train. And, some things are going to be more high percentage than are others for the most part.


And SURELY no one here is arguing against the MMA training vehicle, right?





-John

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#282613 - 09/04/06 10:51 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: MikeC]
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In a real fight. you would grab his ears on the way down, for eg.. That is what Trad fighting teaches you. Remember no rules. You have to survive, if you lose you might not be alive to post here again.




Can you provide any documentation that shows ear tearing and eye gouging was widely advocated before 1993?

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#282614 - 09/04/06 11:17 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: JKogas]
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haha JKogas..thats pretty much what I said
it didnt take 3000 years for a guy to come up with a method to shoot and take a person to the ground...
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#282615 - 09/04/06 02:40 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: IExcalibui2]
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Edited by ANDY44 (09/04/06 04:19 PM)

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#282616 - 09/04/06 04:10 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: MikeC]
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In a real fight. you would grab his ears on the way down, for eg.. That is what Trad fighting teaches you. Remember no rules. You have to survive, if you lose you might not be alive to post here again.







have a look at the 2nd link I posted might have another counter technique ?

See what you think?



Edited by ANDY44 (09/04/06 05:59 PM)

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#282617 - 09/04/06 04:11 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: migo]
ANDY44 Offline
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have a look at the 2nd link I posted might have another counter technique ?



what do you think?


Edited by ANDY44 (09/04/06 06:00 PM)

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#282618 - 09/04/06 04:12 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: Supremor]
ANDY44 Offline
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I'm sure anone with grappling experience will be yelling "SPRAWL!!" Andy.





http://web.hku.hk/~judoclub/tech/tawara_gaeshi.html

2nd link I posted
Think it will work?


Edited by ANDY44 (09/04/06 06:03 PM)

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#282619 - 09/04/06 05:28 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
migo Offline
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Sure, for that kind of takedown, wouldn't work on one with a good level change and straight back though.

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