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#282600 - 09/03/06 05:33 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: Fletch1]
ANDY44 Offline
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Ok so what about a debte for counters of techniques say


http://www.judoinfo.com/images/video/santani/morotegari.mov

scenario in a cage with a guy who has tattoos and no hair
is about to do this technique on one of you guys
what would you do?

other scenario on the street /bar/night club?

Counter's from any martial art?

Better than debating which MA is the better

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#282601 - 09/03/06 05:38 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
Supremor Offline
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I'm sure anone with grappling experience will be yelling "SPRAWL!!" Andy.

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#282602 - 09/03/06 06:17 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: Supremor]
ANDY44 Offline
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I'm sure anone with grappling experience will be yelling "SPRAWL!!" Andy.




Yes but then what?
sprawling is fine but what would you guys do after the sprawl,

sprawl isnt always the answer
, well one of the answers

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#282603 - 09/03/06 08:14 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
Ed_Morris Offline
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how about losing? is losing an option?

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#282604 - 09/03/06 11:47 PM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: Supremor]
migo Offline
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I'm sure anone with grappling experience will be yelling "SPRAWL!!" Andy.




Sprawling's harder to do if you're wearing pants that he can get a good grip on and he has decent grip strength. If someone's done enough Judo and they're doing a morotegari, that will be the case.

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#282605 - 09/04/06 02:31 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
SilkyFighter Offline
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Hey sorry guys. I have been studying for an exam i have next week. I would like to thank everyone for responding. I can tell I really [censored] some people off. So, check this out. The clip I showed really has no relevance to the argument I was so poorly trying to make. In fact, the night I wrote that post, I was extremely tired and had some drinks in me. Let me re-iterrate my point more clearly... When I refer to the term "cross-training", I don't mean competition MMA training. Ya sure the stuff is cool to watch, but not everything used in the ring will work in a real confrontation. Although, you can learn some good things from those guys. What I mean when I say cross-training, I am talking about just using the effective aspects of a martial art and applying them with effective aspects of another. About the TMA aspect of my argument, I just don't feel like the things that some dojo's are teaching people can really work. One thing that I have seen people posting that I feel is really important is that it depends on the individual and how they train that depends on whether or not a certain art will be effective. Now, TMA's are great, they really do have a purpose, however, some schools hold their traditions higher than the actualy "techniques" they are teaching. Now, from a self-defense/ fighting point of view, when dealing with such things, I do not think it is all that important to stress tradition over things that are effective. For example, if there is a certain technique that a school teaches which has become ineffective over time, then why continue to teach it?

I know this may seem very contradictory to my original arguement, which is cool, because I was definately in the right state of mind to post, which is a lesson I will hold on to.
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#282606 - 09/04/06 03:21 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: Ed_Morris]
ANDY44 Offline
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how about losing? is losing an option?




Hi ED

No ED losing is not an option. Not from a take down attempt?
If the hyperthetical guy gets a person on their back and starts to pound then losing might be an option. The reason why I posted this. One simple move like a take down can mean dumped on the the back and after that well total defensive/(pain daysthere after or worse ) with little chance of offensive.




So solutions ?

There are a few that will work.

c'mon!

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#282607 - 09/04/06 03:23 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: migo]
ANDY44 Offline
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Quote:

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I'm sure anone with grappling experience will be yelling "SPRAWL!!" Andy.




Sprawling's harder to do if you're wearing pants that he can get a good grip on and he has decent grip strength. If someone's done enough Judo and they're doing a morotegari, that will be the case.




Yep

so defence against a take down attempt?


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#282608 - 09/04/06 03:32 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: SilkyFighter]
ANDY44 Offline
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Quote:

effective aspects of a martial art and applying them with effective aspects of another. About the TMA aspect of my argument, I just don't feel like the things that some dojo's are teaching people can really work. One thing that I have seen people posting that I feel is really important is that it depends on the individual and how they train that depends on whether or not a certain art will be effective. Now, TMA's are great, they really do have a purpose, however, some schools hold their traditions higher than the actualy "techniques" they are teaching. Now, from a self-defense/ fighting point of view, when dealing with such things, I do not think it is all that important to stress tradition over things that are effective. For example, if there is a certain technique that a school teaches which has become ineffective over time, then why continue to teach it?







.

I look at a lot of the so called modern methods and see in there techniques that are in TMA.

From my point of view you would have to post a specific TMA technique that you think is out dated

Thanks






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#282609 - 09/04/06 08:45 AM Re: Traditional vs Modern techniques [Re: ANDY44]
migo Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I'm sure anone with grappling experience will be yelling "SPRAWL!!" Andy.




Sprawling's harder to do if you're wearing pants that he can get a good grip on and he has decent grip strength. If someone's done enough Judo and they're doing a morotegari, that will be the case.




Yep

so defence against a take down attempt?






Elevator sweep, GnP or stand back up according to preference. Some people seem to be able to pull off whizzers, but I'm not one of them so it wouldn't be my first recommendation (if you can pull it off, you already know about it anyway and don't need me to tell you about it).

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