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#282113 - 08/29/06 08:30 AM The Wiggles
Zombie Zero Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 1993
Loc: Lorton, VA
Ok, so you may be wondering, what the heck do The Wiggles have to do with Self-Defense? Here goes:

I don't have children, but if I did, I wouldn't let them watch The Wiggles, or even know they exist.

They're creepy. Not Grandma's stale ribbon candy creepy, John Mark Karr creepy.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with children's programming. Shows like The Doodle-Bops, or BooBah, are fine, because they're fantastical. If you saw a six foot purple dinosaur on your street, you'd take notice. The Wiggles are just grown men in tight pastel turtlenecks. Anyone who was so inclined could easily pose as a Wiggle, and have an easier time gaining a child's trust when he's goin' a-kidnappin'.

Am I way off base on this, or does anyone else share this concern?

#282114 - 08/29/06 08:55 AM Re: The Wiggles [Re: Zombie Zero]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6665
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Children will trust anything. However, I think that if I saw a grown man dressed in pastel tights it would be very hard to ignore. That would work against any public abduction attempt.

#282115 - 08/29/06 09:23 AM Re: The Wiggles [Re: Zombie Zero]
Xibalba Offline

Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 499
Loc: Lansing, MI, USA
i have a near 2 yr old son. He loves the Wiggles (although he watches next to no TV - our TV is in the basement, and he only sees an occasional video every couple of weeks).

Although I, too, think the Wiggles are odd (from an adult perspective), I see nothing wrong with them. Most kid's programming is strange to an adult, but there is often cool educational content in many of these shows.

As far as someone dressed like a Wiggle abducting my child - I think this is very unlikely. Anyone, in a Wiggle outfit or not, can be a kidnapper. The potential perp could use Sesame Street, Barney, any kid's character to try to lure children in. I don't think that makes the kids programming inherently bad or dangerous.

It is the parent's responsibility to monitor the child when he is young, and as the child becomes more independent (e.g. goes to school) teach the child safe behavior out in the world.


#282116 - 08/30/06 11:22 AM Re: The Wiggles [Re: Zombie Zero]
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Registered: 06/28/06
Posts: 27
Loc: UK
I think a better reason not to watch the Wiggles is that its irritating as hell!

On the serious underlying point, I agree that its difficult to know how best to educate your children on "stranger danger" - there is a balance between creating the right degree of caution on the one hand with inadvertantly teaching children that all strangers are evil on the other.

Personally, we've just tried to ensure that our kids (who are quite young) know not to go out of our sight in public and never to go off with someone they don't know, but its a constant worry for every parent.

Insert wisdom here

#282117 - 08/30/06 01:57 PM Re: The Wiggles [Re: Shepster]
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Registered: 01/13/05
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Loc: Cambridge UK.
John Gacey worked as a party Clown. Enforce the message to your kids that they are not to go anywhere with strangers no matter what they seem to be, and they will be prepared for any malevolent Wiggle, Teletubbie or Tweenie that may wish them harm.
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#282118 - 08/30/06 03:05 PM Re: The Wiggles [Re: Cord]
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Loc: Texas, USA
Majority of children are killed/molested by a relative or family friend.
Someone they already know-not strangers.

If you really want to be paranoid-teach your children to avoid contact with everyone, including you.
I'm sorry, I was just imaging what you would look like with duct tape over your mouth

#282119 - 08/30/06 05:59 PM Re: The Wiggles [Re: Zombie Zero]
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3119
Loc: East Coast, United States
Hello Zombiezero:

An understandable concern... IMHO. Self-defense, (ie self awareness) specific to children is critically important.

Lost/missing children need to seek FEMALES, neither uniforms, nor badges. As you suggest the Wiggle/Fireman/Policeman in front of them could be maleviolent... or merely pretending to be whatever the costume.

Dark days an "evil wiggle" . As a parent, its part of the job to be over-protective. Just because we might be paranoid does NOT mean someone is not out to get us either...


#282120 - 09/14/06 02:39 PM Re: The Wiggles [Re: Ronin1966]
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Registered: 04/04/06
Posts: 277
Loc: Florida
What ever happened to just Sesame Street and Mister Roger's Neighborhood? I saw an episode of Boo bah and I felt I was on an acid trip or something. However, one of those costumes would be completely obvious in public; plus, I don't think you can run with one on.
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#282121 - 09/14/06 04:55 PM Re: The Wiggles [Re: nekogami13 V2.0]
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Registered: 02/24/05
Posts: 4117
Loc: California

Majority of children are killed/molested by a relative or family friend.
Someone they already know-not strangers.

If you really want to be paranoid-teach your children to avoid contact with everyone, including you.

Good point. A lot of people (myself included) have had social difficulties because of the inhibitions programmed into us by our parents. Strangers are not all dangerous and interacting with strangers is something children will have to do in order to mature into well rounded adults. If they do not have the skills to detect when a stranger is going to do them harm as a child, the chances are higher imho of them being abused by a stranger when they are an adult (because they have no parent to tell them which strangers are safe or not). It's not so simple as that of course, but I think the effects of over-protection are present in such cases.

Blanket statements are not a great way to teach children imho. I think it's better to help them to understand why you are cautioning them and teach them how to spot dangerous people (not just the obvious ones either). As was mentioned, often close relations, such as family and friends are dangerous but do not appear so. I think children should be made aware of the fact that their safety is important and if anyone is doing anything which could put them in danger, they should cry out and escape, seeking safety as soon as possible.
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