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#281565 - 08/25/06 01:29 PM Raw eggs
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Of course most of us have seen Rocky But seriously, I understand that raw eggs and other chicken products can carry salmonella and raw eggs should not be consumed. However once in awhile I hear of raw eggs being used in health shakes, home remedies and hangover cures etc. Why would anyone want to eat raw eggs? does it deliver protein into your body faster or something? I would think that it would just be alot of fat and cholesterol too, not to mention salmonella. Mabey Rocky was just lazy and didn't want to cook his eggs, however I did read a book by Sly and he mentioned he did used to drink raw eggs in real life years ago, It sounded like there was some kind of trick to it I'm just curious. Anyone ever eaten raw eggs before?
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#281566 - 08/25/06 01:47 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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MMMM, good stuff!

I've had raw eggs in shakes and by themselves. I've read the salmonella is a risk, but it is a very small risk.

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#281567 - 08/25/06 01:50 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: JoelM]
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Only want my eggs baked, fried, boiled, scrambled or made into an omlet. No chance I'm going to suck back a raw egg and for what good it does you, you can certainly find it and better in other foods. Yuck.
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#281568 - 08/25/06 03:07 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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Avidin which is found in white raw eggs, binds with biotin and inhibits its absorption. Cooking destroys avidin. Cook your eggs. You will digest more protein. Whey is the fastest acting protein.

Here is a biological value of some common Proteins:

Protein BV
Whey isolate 110-159
Whey concentrate 104
Whole egg 100
Cow's milk 91
Egg white 88
Fish 83
Beef 80
Chicken 79
Casein 77
Soy 74
Rice 59
Wheat 54
Beans 49

The higher the number the faster it is digested. The proteins on the top of the list are what you would want post workout.


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#281569 - 08/25/06 04:16 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: JoelM]
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Does salmonella kill you?! or just make your food fly out of your a$$ at 150mph?
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#281570 - 08/25/06 04:28 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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Young children, seniors and those with weakened immune systems from diseases such as AIDS, or as a result of some cancer treatments, are the most vulnerable. In severe cases, salmonella can kill.

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#281571 - 08/25/06 04:34 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: cauliflowerears]
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I thought it was something like that
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#281572 - 08/25/06 06:51 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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I detest eggs of any type. Won't eat 'em.
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#281573 - 08/25/06 07:58 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: MattJ]
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really? I love eggs. Oh well, to each their own.
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#281574 - 08/26/06 09:10 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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Firstly, Stallone said in his book 'Sly Moves' that he knows the raw egg breakfast scene had no real life merit on a nutritional basis, and that he put it in to convey the sense of primal power in the character. He also freely admits that he knew nothing about nutrition until after Rocky went huge, and he could afford to learn from trainers and professionals, as well as from his own mistakes.

Secondly, most of the salmonella in eggs is actually on the outside of the shell. The content of the egg is on the whole very unlikely to give you salmonella poisoning. There used to be a wide spread prctice of washing eggs ready for sale, this damaged the protective natural glazing on the egg, allowing the external salmonella to permeate the shell and get into the content. this practice is now illegal in the UK, and not practiced, so raw egg is a fairly safe food.

Thirdly, whilst raw egg is not the ideal form of protein, it is worth remembering that there was a time before 'micro cross filtered casseinated whey isolate in gourmet rum punch flavour'. In these dark days, a protein shake consisted of milk, raw eggs and something to disguise the texture/taste (anything from malt to marmite!).
No one knew about avidin then, yet it must have existed, and yet the guys who pounded down tray after tray of eggs every week all miraculously managed to get very big and very strong, despite this evil substance.

now I am not saying that raw egg is the bees knees, but what I am saying is that natural protein sources are never as innefective or hard to digest as supplement companies would have you believe.

I am all for a balance between cutting edge and old school. I like what works. There is no doubt that athletes today are bigger and stronger than ever, and nutrition plays a big part in that. Arnie C.1975 looks a bit puny compared to Ronnie today, but would you be more than delighted to wake up tomorrow looking like Arnie at his peak? that muscle was fed by milk, egg, steak and tuna, not slow release whey isolate.
A lot of 'poor' quality protein managed to be synthesised just fine by a lot of Legendary physiques.

I was a natural bodybuilder from 15 years old to 25 years old, and managed to get to a fairly hard 240lbs on protein from Raw egg, chicken and tuna, with not a whey isolate in sight. i have used whey since (including at the moment- Met-rx chocolate, quite nice tasting as it goes), but it is expensive, and there is a lot of cr4p on the market making wild claims as well.
i am currently back training in a gym again after a long time of home training, and am considering a return to a little hypertrophy training, and if I do, you can bet that raw egg will return to my diet, I have seen and experienced too many positive results from its use to negate its value, and at 2.30 for a tray of 24 eggs, it is much more affordable.


Edited by Cord (08/26/06 09:44 AM)
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#281575 - 08/26/06 11:50 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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I've tried raw eggs. not really a whole lot of taste to 'em really, I guess it's a tecture thing. I don't really see any real reason in doing it again though unless your in a hurry and don't have time to cook the egg(s). I guess that was my dad's case when he was working out a lot because he would take a raw egg and crack it in a glass of beer and that would be his breakfast.
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#281576 - 08/26/06 02:30 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Steel91]
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he would take a raw egg and crack it in a glass of beer and that would be his breakfast.




What was he training for- 'Mr. AA' 2004?

A raw egg in a bloody mary is an old cure for a hangover, but alcohol plays no legitemate part in the diet of anyone, let alone as nutritional support for exercise.

A lot of guys like the 'hardcore' or manly associations with raw egg ingestion, I will admit to that myself- watching people wince as you crack an egg straight into your mouth is kind of cool. Same with a tuna milkshake, its horrid, but its a psychological thing- you are enforcing a mindset of pushing past personal comfort to achieve results, pushing boundaries that others cant, or wont step over to get an edge.

Its the same in training- do you rep out on the pretty pec dec machine whilst admiring your lycra-clad self in the mirror, or do you bench a raw lump of weight till you feel like being sick all over your old track pants?

psychology plays a big part in performance, so if you only absorb 4 of the 6 grams of protein from a raw egg, but the act of doing so helps you train harder, and motivates you on some level, then it will give good results.
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#281577 - 08/26/06 03:25 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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What's 'Mr.AA'? (BTW did ya git my last pm, I never got a reply)


Edited by Steel91 (08/26/06 03:29 PM)
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#281578 - 08/26/06 04:10 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Steel91]
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Mr. AA = Alcoholic Anonymous

Cord, good post and bang on.
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#281579 - 08/26/06 04:51 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Steel91]
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Steel, just PM'd you, sorry for the delay. Also, please dont take offence at the AA thing, meant in jest only
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#281580 - 08/26/06 07:55 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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Excellent information post, Cord. I feel like I have learned quite a bit about a food source that I will STILL never eat.
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#281581 - 08/26/06 08:23 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: MattJ]
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If you think salmonella is only damaging for the young and old or with compromised immune systems, talk to an internist... that little bugger loves the healthy body, and does heart damage if it isn't caught and the right regimen of antibiotics started almost immediately.

Years ago, that wasn't really a concern, because the germ wasn't that prevalent in the food chain, but "production changes" have created a lot of weaknesses in our food production systems that allow our "little friends" to sneak in and be a threat. I love eggs, and used to eat them "over light", but once I found out what salmonella could do, any egg product I eat is well done...

There are way too many "macho" things that are just plain stupid, and gambling your heart health on eating raw eggs is one of them... and it can cause permanent colon problems as well. Just not worth it...

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#281582 - 08/26/06 11:20 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: wristtwister]
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Thats an understandable precaution Wrist, but if you still want the occasional 'runny egg' as we brits call em, then you can get fresh egg that has been bottled and pasteurised, making it as safe as a de-clawed kitten.

For those who do wish to incorporate egg into their diet, a hard boiled eggs are a very easily transported nutritious snack, even if it they do taste of the smell of farts
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#281583 - 08/27/06 04:12 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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Thanks for the info Cord! I'm not sure about the U.K. but in Canada there is a product called Egg Beaters that comes pasturized in a carton, It's real egg white with "replaced" egg yolk, and has less fat and Chl. Thanks again, Mabey I'll even try adding one or two raw eggs to my shake.
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#281584 - 08/27/06 11:29 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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Post workout meal tonight-
2 raw eggs in a cup, dash of salt and pepper and a sprinkle of Cavendar's seasoning(it really helps
handful of store-bought granola
handful of homemade trail mix

yum yum!!
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#281585 - 08/28/06 03:05 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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Raw eggs aren't too bad - some kinds are better than others. For example, the yolks of free-range organic eggs are lovely.

There's this Norwegian dessert-thing called "eggedosis" where you whip (raw) eggs and sugar together in a blender - yum :-)

All that being said, I don't eat eggs, raw or otherwise, all that often...
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#281586 - 08/28/06 03:55 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: tuxette]
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Here's a question..... Why do the eggs have to be raw? Is there less protein in a cooked egg than a raw egg? If so, is it really that big of a difference?

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#281587 - 08/28/06 04:14 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Joe7987]
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I think raw egg yolks taste better than cooked egg yolks. Otherwise, I don't know. Some kind of "macho" thing I guess, the whole "hey look what I can do!" silliness...
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#281588 - 08/28/06 09:39 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: tuxette]
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Since I was a yute (My Cousin Vinnie), I've had my eggs over medium (runny yolk) and I've turned out fine. Back to a good question, is there a nutritional difference between cooked and raw eggs? As a P.S. I think the reason boiled eggs smell bad is because the shell traps some compound during the cooking process. Me and my neighbors both lived on farms and they had chickens. One got out of the coop and made a nest somewhere else and we came across it a few months later. We threw one and discovered we had a small stash of chemical weapons. We had some after that.
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#281589 - 08/28/06 10:12 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Joe7987]
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Here's a question..... Why do the eggs have to be raw? Is there less protein in a cooked egg than a raw egg? If so, is it really that big of a difference?




If you read the whole thread, you will see the pro's and cons of cooked and raw. Scientificaly, cooked egg is more completely assimilated by the body, so probably preferable, but I did list some pro's that can be made in raw egg's defence.

Egg is an interesting substance as it is only the white you need for the protein, the yolk is essentialy fat.

The old scare stories about eggs contributing to arterial cholestorol deposits is bunk. Only remove the yolk if you are concerned about calorie intake, or if you dont like it.

Cooked or raw the protein content remains the same- 4-6 grams of protein per egg (dependant on size)
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#281590 - 08/28/06 10:21 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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Arnie C.1975 looks a bit puny compared to Ronnie today, but would you be more than delighted to wake up tomorrow looking like Arnie at his peak? that muscle was fed by milk, egg, steak and tuna, not slow release whey isolate.




AS never drank milk. He was famously quoted as saying "Milk is for babies." Whey Isolate is not slow release. It is a very fast digesting protein. Casien is slow release. Thats why its good to eat cottage cheese or milk before bed.

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#281591 - 08/28/06 11:03 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: cauliflowerears]
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The 'milk is for babies' quote is a famous joke made by him. He was a ruthless competitor, and would often inject missinformation into interviews about his training and eating in a hope that rivals would pick up on it and damage their own progress- hence the 'secret' he let slip about relying on a half and half mix of guinness and cream for his weigh gain off season (simply not true).

My point about slow release is in keeping with my flippancy regarding the marketing of whey, casseinated protein, 'muscle milk' and all the rest of em, and the fact that whey is a 'wonder product' of the 90's is the simple truth, as is the use of eggs, both cooked and raw as a staple of some of the best bodies in history.
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#281592 - 08/28/06 11:51 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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Yeah I think the second part was real men drink beer. I thought I read somewhere where he said he didn't drink milk though. I can't find it.

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#281593 - 08/28/06 01:01 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: cauliflowerears]
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one of the teachers on one of the instructor courses I took was a great old school lifter, he worked at the Bolton Fitness studio, and was a competetive bodybuilder in the 60's who was responsible for helping host Arnie on his first trip to the UK. He had a few good tales to tell, including Arnie making enourmous milk and egg shakes (over 1 litre) and downing them in one as a party piece.
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#281594 - 08/29/06 02:41 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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Quote:

Quote:

Here's a question..... Why do the eggs have to be raw? Is there less protein in a cooked egg than a raw egg? If so, is it really that big of a difference?




If you read the whole thread, you will see the pro's and cons of cooked and raw. Scientificaly, cooked egg is more completely assimilated by the body, so probably preferable, but I did list some pro's that can be made in raw egg's defence.

Egg is an interesting substance as it is only the white you need for the protein, the yolk is essentialy fat.

The old scare stories about eggs contributing to arterial cholestorol deposits is bunk. Only remove the yolk if you are concerned about calorie intake, or if you dont like it.

Cooked or raw the protein content remains the same- 4-6 grams of protein per egg (dependant on size)




I'm sorry Cord, but I read the whole thread last night.. and I just reread it now and simply cannot find where you listed the pros of raw eggs (though I did notice the cons). Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that you are wrong and that it isnt there..... It is very possible that I am overlooking it, but I would really appreciate it if you could direct me to the post that I'm looking for.

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#281595 - 08/29/06 04:00 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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A lot of guys like the 'hardcore' or manly associations with raw egg ingestion, I will admit to that myself- watching people wince as you crack an egg straight into your mouth is kind of cool. Same with a tuna milkshake, its horrid, but its a psychological thing- you are enforcing a mindset of pushing past personal comfort to achieve results, pushing boundaries that others cant, or wont step over to get an edge.

psychology plays a big part in performance, so if you only absorb 4 of the 6 grams of protein from a raw egg, but the act of doing so helps you train harder, and motivates you on some level, then it will give good results.




Eggs are the Maralyn Manson of the nutritional world- they have been blamed for everything from elevating our LDL cholestorol to poisoning us with salmonela. The powers that be couldn't make either charge stick, the pesky things kept coming up with iron clad alibi's.

Now they can't get em off the streets, all they can do is harrass them with attempts at undermining their credibility.
History and nature make a mockery of these attacks.

It is a simple fact that strength athletes throughout the ages have used egg both cooked and raw as an effective source of protein, and every onmivorous mammal on earth will see any form of egg as an absolute gift- do you ever see a racoon or a fox turn its nose up at raw egg? do they scuttle off to put the frying pan on? Of course not, they recognise it as an absorbable food source. Yes i know we have different physiology, but we are still mammals, and the fact that every culture throughout the world eats egg in some form should indicate that our mammalian instincts on this are in tune.

I am not saying raw egg is the best form of protein, i am saying that it is still valid, and for some plays a role in their training that goes beyond mere nutrition, thus leveling out any shortcomings.
If you are not of that mindset, or if you are in a position financialy to be able to sustain the use of whey supplements day in day out, then avoid raw egg.

i was never in that pay scale- i had to get my protein as cheaply as possible: egg,milk,tinned tuna and baked beans were my foundation, and like the mobile phone and the internet, whey supplements didnt exist!

People managed to communicate just fine before the Web and the cell phone, and people managed to grow just fine before whey isolate.

Use what you feel comfortable with.
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#281596 - 08/29/06 01:54 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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Thanks cord. I appreciate you taking the time to respond... and what you said makes complete sense. To be honest, I'm definitely not in that payscale either.. lol... maybe I'll have to give this raw egg thing a try.

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#281597 - 08/29/06 04:20 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Joe7987]
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I mixed a couple in with my shake and didn't even taste it. I have not tried them by themselves yet.
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#281598 - 08/30/06 02:58 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Crash]
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I mixed a couple in with my shake and didn't even taste it. I have not tried them by themselves yet.




I would stick with putting them in a shake- you will then get a combination of milk and egg protein. 600ml of skimmed milk, 2 eggs, a banana, and a drop of vanilla essence (not syrup), or a teaspoon spoon of malt extract. That gives you 32 grams of protein, and tastes nicer than any pre mix protein powders.
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#281599 - 08/30/06 02:14 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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#281600 - 08/30/06 08:52 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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Cord,
sorry to disagree with you, but the link to salmonella has been proved on multiple levels here in America by our Federal Food and Drug Administration. It is linked to the feeding cycle of chickens and reintroduction of their "parts" back into the food chain as "chicken scratch" (food) used in the poultry farms.

I can't speak for your farms, but those in the USA have several protocols that have to be observed and followed to continue to reduce the reintroduction of salmonella virus into the food chain... and like putting an "unloaded gun" into your mouth, the FDA has (if they have erred) erred on the side of safety to the consumers.

I'm one of those guys who occasionally has a "venture" into some overlight eggs, but usually when I forget. I don't think the level of protein you get from fully cooked eggs is much less than raw ones, so why bother to roll the roulette wheel with your health? Unlike a lot of people, I'm not really picky about what I eat as long as its tasty, but I don't see the sense in eating anything that can cause unnecessary harm.

On a funny note, I once was driving by a chicken processing plant when I noticed a guy frantically pushing on the back of a dump truck. What had happened was that he was loading chicken guts from the processing plant into the truck to be taken to a "feed plant", and noticed after cutting on the dump arm that the tailgate of the truck was not locked down. He was pushing as hard as he could until he finally stepped on something slick, and fell down. When he did, the tailgate swung open and buried him neck-deep in chicken guts while he sat on the ground...

I don't think his white coat helped much...

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#281601 - 08/31/06 06:57 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: wristtwister]
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I can't speak for your farms, but those in the USA have several protocols that have to be observed and followed to continue to reduce the reintroduction of salmonella virus into the food chain... and like putting an "unloaded gun" into your mouth, the FDA has (if they have erred) erred on the side of safety to the consumers.





Here in the UK, we had a massive salmonella/egg scare in the mid to late 80's, and measures were enforced regarding feed and handling of eggs to minimise the risk.

How things are done in different countries may increase or decrease the risk involved with certain foods.

all i can tell you, from a UK perspective is that I have eaten literally thousands of raw eggs with no ill effect whatsoever. nor have I seen, or heard of anyone, even anecdotaly, having a raw egg related illness/poisoning.

There is risk in everything in life- rare meat, all shellfish, using the '5 second rule' in the kitchen with dropped food (you know you do ), crossing the road, eating out, walking up and down stairs,sparring, driving.... you get my point.

The risks you consider acceptable and unacceptable are always a personal choice. I have repeatedly said that raw egg is not the best source of protein. My point throughout this thread was that after nearly a century of use in strength persuits, it has not suddenly become completely useless.
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#281602 - 08/31/06 05:58 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
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Registered: 02/14/06
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Loc: South Carolina
Hey, I totally agree with you. Our problem is that our food processes in America are all "big farm" type situations, and a problem at almost any level is amplified, which is why the FDA always trys to err on the side of caution... same type of thing with shellfish here. Nobody loves raw oysters any more than me, but they have had numerous cases of hepetitis caused from them, so they're off my list for awhile.

What I find hilarious is that hunters in the USA eat deer meat all the time, and it's like playing roulette with Mad Cow disease. Our deer populations have an increasing incidence of Chronic Wasting Disease (a similar enzyme) that can't be cooked out, cut out, or even discovered (until it's too late) but our "food concious" society eats it like it was candy.

I guess, as you say, it's all personal choice.

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#281603 - 09/05/06 01:21 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
migo Offline
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Registered: 09/03/06
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Loc: Burnaby, BC, Canada
Cord, do you have any links to details of the precautions they take in the UK so I could do some research on whether similar precautions are taken here in Canada?

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#281604 - 09/05/06 05:49 AM Re: Raw eggs [Re: migo]
Cord Offline
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Loc: Cambridge UK.
I dont I am afraid. I do not use the internet as a main source of information I am afraid, so seldom have links to share. The changes in the UK handling of eggs were widely broadcast at the time of the change (it was a very high profile health scare at the time), and one of my best friends is a leading figure in livestock veterinary medicine and nutrition and teaches at cambridge university, so if i have questions about such matters I talk to her in person.

Your government regulations on such things should be freely available on line or in your library.
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#281605 - 09/05/06 01:31 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
migo Offline
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Alright, I guess I'll just have to do my research the old fashioned way.

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#281606 - 05/30/07 06:35 PM Re: Raw eggs [Re: Cord]
mwmanvt Offline
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Registered: 03/21/07
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Loc: Hoboken, NJ
Or just buy the pasturized egg whites that come in a jar

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