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#281429 - 08/26/06 10:35 AM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: ANDY44]
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it's ok to agree/disagree, but it's helpful when people do so by elaborating a bit.

I don't use the names 'naihanchi' and 'tekki' interchangably. as I understand, 'tekki' is the renamed version of Funakoshi, with further modification in Japan separate from what okinawan styles practice. Even Funakoshi's version is a far cry from what most Shotokan schools are doing now and calling tekki, it seems.

horse stance / straddled stance / parallel / arch ...whatever translated terms are used, we are talking about the same thing: 'naihanchi dachi' which is the stance Motobu is in, with the link you gave. not the tournament squatting stance.

The stance and transition in naihanchi is similar in appearence (not necessarily in mechanics - I'm not sure) to what goju refers to as 'kiba dachi'.

I'll keep an eye out for the film you mention. hopefully it will turn up in the thread at some point.

I'll just read the thread for a while. I realize it's a bit rude to corner people into answering specifics since they either don't know, aren't sure, can't relay via text, or don't want to give away their 'secrets'....or also possible - are afraid they might be doing something without knowing why and don't want anyone to know that they don't know. lol

it's all good, we're all students.

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#281430 - 08/26/06 01:05 PM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Your statement

I'll just read the thread for a while. I realize it's a bit rude to corner people into answering specifics since they either don't know, aren't sure, can't relay via text, or don't want to give away their 'secrets'....or also possible - are afraid they might be doing something without knowing why and don't want anyone to know that they don't know. lol

Hi ED

Dont get this part of the conversation.
I am working at my fight game. Using whatever methods I see that would work. I study fighters. The okinawans(the ones I have seen) have a system I want to incorperate in to what I do.

Thats about it.
I see trained with guys from kykoshin whos used brute force.I trained in shotokan which is to me based on kick punch block strategy.I trained with other styles. I see goju using the persons energy against them. I see aikido as a way of starting to use locks/ peoples energy that I think exits in goju. I see tai chi using the methods being used in goju to unbalance. I have to study every body elses art before I get where I want to. It all boils down to I have seen what I want in goju . Problem is unless I move to okinwawa I dont think it is availabke here in one style to study? Im not interested in grades as such more ability.

So untill such time I am working at it.


Just another point. How do i post a thread or rather a topic?




Edited by ANDY44 (08/26/06 01:40 PM)

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#281431 - 08/26/06 02:03 PM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed, I believe the question you are asking to which you feel you have gotten no response is the all in one attack defender for naihachi. For inside fighting yes it is the only response you need. Some stances have good sinking and some good rising power. Naihanchi has both. Think about it this way. When playing football(american) a person practices bag drills such as high knees and cut drills. These drills, which are not against resisting opponents are used to develop a specific skills set to deal with someone coming at you full speed attempting to do bodily harm. When applied to a resisting opponent the skills used in the drills can be adjusted depending on the situation, but the principles of high knees and cutting are the same as done on the bags. Naihanchi is the same. It teaches one to develop power in a small area. The cross steps are the entrance with leg techs for unbalancing thrown in. That is the main reason why they cross because I can enter with a shuffle step if I don't want to apply leg techs on my way in. Even on a shot the 45 degree angle on which I step and the knee strike the shooter will eat on his way in is good sound defense. It extends the attack while I rain elbows, knee strikes, and hammer fists on him. If he gets in deep its the guillotine for him. Yes it is all in one. If I have not answered your questions please eloaborate on exactly what you are not getting about this kata.

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#281432 - 08/26/06 02:47 PM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: medulanet]
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thanks for the responses. That was my only question, and you addressed it well. I plan on training this kata someday, and I'll keep whats been written about it in mind. until I've actually trained it, I can't really comment/inquire further.

sometimes I instigate in order to draw conversation/ideas out of people. good threads usually have a little fire in 'em.

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#281433 - 08/26/06 03:35 PM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Hi Ed,

If you really have the patience, this google video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3346298601525244862&q=judo shows many naihanchi applications as Mufine Sensei works his techniques.

Of course at many levels all arts intersect.
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#281434 - 08/26/06 07:03 PM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Edited by ANDY44 (08/26/06 08:17 PM)

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#281435 - 08/26/06 07:14 PM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: medulanet]
ANDY44 Offline
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Edited by ANDY44 (08/26/06 08:45 PM)

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#281436 - 08/26/06 08:06 PM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: Victor Smith]
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Edited by ANDY44 (08/26/06 08:15 PM)

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#281437 - 08/26/06 10:53 PM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: ANDY44]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Andy, you seem like a good guy. I think the whole time I've been posting for 1.5 years, I've never deleted entire posts. There were many post that I regret and have appologized for, but I didn't erase. If there is anything that leaves a bad stink when mixed with MA, it's politics, ego and/or money.

write what you mean, hit the 'continue' button, and then leave it out there. ....unless those 3 posts you deleted was about one of our mother's or something. lol

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#281438 - 08/27/06 04:18 AM Re: Naihanchi kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
ANDY44 Offline
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Morning ED

Naaaaa
wasnt about mothers money politics or anything like that.
Im not in to that kind of stuff. Well money helps.
Ego is used as a driving force to train harder.
I know martial arts guys that have trained for years that would never have pointed out what Victor did and its there on black and white film. Prime examples of how to use the stance. The stance not so much the kata.


Looks like what I worked out with the bunkia was only the surface of the kata.
Needs more study.

And Ed if I think of something and type it out and post it then rethink the matter through and delete it then I would rather do it that way.
I work on instinct. Thought does work but sometimes things occur to me in a different way.
Any how your partly to blame. Your up to your usual thought provoking stuff.
Medulant has already worked a lot of stuff out.

All in all very eductional.

Any how I have a date with my heavy bag.

Ta



Edited by ANDY44 (08/27/06 04:22 AM)

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