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#281409 - 08/24/06 11:23 PM Naihanci kata
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I'd liek to use this thread as a compendium of applications for naihanchi. What are all fo the various applications you've all found for it?
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#281410 - 08/25/06 12:21 AM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: Stormdragon]
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#281411 - 08/25/06 02:32 AM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: Stormdragon]
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The superman of kata a.k.a telephone booth fighting. The basis of my style, Matsubayashi, which is about 6 inches from your opponent, on his blind side, in control(grabbing him) ready to pound him so hard he doesn't even see the ground coming.

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#281412 - 08/25/06 08:00 AM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: medulanet]
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one thing I never understood about naihanchi (from observing it) : why fight from the side? sure an attack could come from the side, but why continue to hold ground and fight at that angle?

first natural reaction to an incoming attack: get out of the way and/or cover.
bonus points if you can redirect an attack INTO your counter.
Naihanchi seems counter-intuitive to a reflex response....or it could be I just never learned naihanchi (which I haven't, so it should be easy to defend against my argument).

btw, In the situation frame 1 of the oldman's strip...there is a simultaneous pull/strike notion in Goju - I think 'simple' would come to mind first before holding ground and recalling a sequence. but like I said, I don't know naihanchi.

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#281413 - 08/25/06 08:54 AM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Quote:

first natural reaction to an incoming attack: get out of the way and/or cover.
bonus points if you can redirect an attack INTO your counter.


Naihanchi can have the ellements you mention here!!

Though I see it as containing more grappling moves than strikes

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#281414 - 08/25/06 11:25 AM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
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one thing I never understood about naihanchi (from observing it) : why fight from the side?




Ed,
It does not have to be that static. Theoreticaly your opponant could be in front to the side or behind. That was just one example. An example that was easier to draw that some others.

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#281415 - 08/25/06 12:10 PM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
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one thing I never understood about naihanchi (from observing it) : why fight from the side? sure an attack could come from the side, but why continue to hold ground and fight at that angle? first natural reaction to an incoming attack: get out of the way and/or cover.
bonus points if you can redirect an attack INTO your counter.
Naihanchi seems counter-intuitive to a reflex response....or it could be I just never learned naihanchi (which I haven't, so it should be easy to defend against my argument).

btw, In the situation frame 1 of the oldman's strip...there is a simultaneous pull/strike notion in Goju - I think 'simple' would come to mind first before holding ground and recalling a sequence. but like I said, I don't know naihanchi.



I have been taught this is a kata to train on a balance beam. It does contain a ton of variations in bunki, I have seen lots of varitations in interpertation. However I feel the true streght of the kata comes from performing it on a 6 to 8 inch wide beam. the higher off the ground the better. It is one thing to do it on the ground with focus and power. It is another thing completely to do it 5 feet up. I hope this helps explain the lateral movements.

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#281416 - 08/25/06 12:35 PM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: Littlpond]
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Little pond,
Although that would explain the lateral movements,it doesn't make sense. It's like saying it was meant to defend yourself with your back to the wall or on rice paddies. Why would any effort be put into making a kata with such limited uses???

Mark,
I'm with Ed on the first movement. What is the hand doing on the hip on the other side if not grabbing? I realize it's just a theory application and I appreciate your drawings tremendously!

Not knowing the kata doesn't mean you can't figure out the applications,just look at the movements in your other kata.
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#281417 - 08/25/06 12:46 PM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: Littlpond]
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I like the 'on a boat' and 'guarding a castle with your back to a wall' stories better.

I'm trying to picture how many times fighting on a beam skill comes in handy. 2nd story battle in the rafters? fallen log river crossing encounters? or perhaps defending yourself when just minding your own business strolling on a tree branch....

someone doing 2-person naihanchi bunkai on a balance beam...now THERE'S a video I'd like to see!

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#281418 - 08/25/06 12:50 PM Re: Naihanci kata [Re: Ed_Morris]
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someone doing 2-person naihanchi bunkai on a balance beam...now THERE'S a video I'd like to see!





You mean where the attacker on the right attacks and until you dismantle him with 47 blocks and one strike and then turn,the attacker on the left is stuck in a trance?
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