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#281077 - 04/14/07 10:02 PM Re: not impressed [Re: Stormdragon]
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
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Quote:

Tell that to JK.




Well it depends on how it's done Storm. If there is resistance and aliveness and little "play along pretend training", you can do anything you want and you'll reap some benefit.

There are always roles to play.

When I'm working my guard and my opponent is trying defend and PASS my guard, we are playing roles. Are we not?

But we AREN'T pretending. There is very little compliance in the training unless he's an absolute beginner.

Etc.



-John

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#281078 - 04/14/07 10:41 PM Re: not impressed [Re: JKogas]
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See it looked liek that one vid was ALL pretending.
You confuse me. lol
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#281079 - 04/21/07 09:38 PM Re: not impressed [Re: JKogas]
Curly Offline
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This was developed by the military so most of these look like kill-techniques.

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#281080 - 04/25/07 02:00 AM Re: not impressed [Re: ShikataGaNai]
jude33 Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

This one is at least more realistic. Still some sloppy stuff, but it has some good ideas.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0i7N6Y7OYwI&mode=related&search=

Matt




What those guys are doing looks great in these drills, but I wonder how well they would hold up in a situation where gassing out would spell their death?




I think I will stick to the trad martial arts and include some wrestling skills. What is they guy doing at the start of the vidoe?

Horrible!

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#281081 - 05/08/07 03:45 PM Re: not impressed [Re: Stormdragon]
sinanimal Offline
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This all seems way to coreographed. If you interested in some realistic self defense training there is nothing better then tony blauer's spear system something everyone serious about self defense should check out.

i've been working with the company for two years and after 18 years of martial arts training and 10 years of teaching his program is the most effective and realistic stuff out there.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-QkJGxPytQI

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#281082 - 05/09/07 02:01 PM Re: not impressed [Re: sinanimal]
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Nothing better my ass. Just as good as anything, what about the Shredder?
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#281083 - 05/09/07 02:28 PM Re: not impressed [Re: Stormdragon]
sproutopop Offline
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Registered: 03/15/07
Posts: 11
I was a long time Krav student, and its a great system. I can vouch for the Shredder too. Its simple and very effective if done correctly.

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#281084 - 05/09/07 09:50 PM Re: not impressed [Re: Stormdragon]
sinanimal Offline
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Registered: 05/08/07
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Let me re-phrase that theres nothing as informative. Most self-defense programs have something to offer. However re-searching his cerebral and psychological sides to self-defense compares to nothing i've seen.
I'm not familiar with shredder but always open to new ideas.

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#281085 - 05/09/07 09:55 PM Re: not impressed [Re: sproutopop]
sinanimal Offline
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Quote:

I was a long time Krav student, and its a great system. I can vouch for the Shredder too. Its simple and very effective if done correctly.




What do you mean if done correctly?

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#281086 - 05/09/07 10:43 PM Re: not impressed [Re: sinanimal]
sproutopop Offline
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Registered: 03/15/07
Posts: 11
Other people who have trained in senshido longer than I have will probably have much more to say about it, but in my opinion The Shredder is such a shock to an opponent that the person trying to apply it can become too dependent upon it. They basically get tunnel vision and want to apply it in situations where you are completely out of range. (I am saying this because I have gotten that tunnel vision myself.)

If you try to Shred someone at the wrong distance (extended arm range or farther)it offers an opponent the opportunity to defend.

To me, the most complicated part of the whole thing is getting to that very close in Shredding range.

That's where the psychological part of what you were mentioning comes into play. I agree, that's very fascinating all by itself.

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