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#280497 - 06/05/07 07:40 AM Re: Aikido vs any fighting art [Re: dalen7]
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Its about knowing yourself, your body, and whats right for you. (Thats when you master an art...you dont master the art, but rather understand how to adapt the art to you - i.e. break the rules)



beautifully said
I think this would apply across the board no matter what art/arts you study.

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The heart is to adapt to the moment.



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At the end, it depends on the situation and the people fighting.



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#280498 - 06/05/07 07:58 PM Re: Aikido vs any fighting art [Re: evad74]
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I hate to rain on the "kumbayah" parade, but fighting is always about intent and "the moment". You can train for years doing one art or the other, and it's all out the window when the guy you're fighting kicks you in the groin or punches you in the throat. A good "eye poke" can change your plans too, and I can vouch for the fact that when you get poked in the eye, you can't see anything for awhile.

Steven Segal used to say in his movies "chance favors the prepared mind"... and that's entirely true. If you're training to be training, the first pain will stop or alter the fight. If you train to fight, you'll have two posititons... off and on. Pain won't matter as much, and your intent will change your focus from "doing a technique" to "eliminating the threat".

Going back to the basics of the arts, and learning some additional striking skills will make Aikido much better for you in self defense situations, because you most likely won't try some very complicated technique if you're defending yourself (unless you like getting hurt)... so it's like all the other arts... back to basics. Hit'em if you can, and then do whatever you can to them.

I have to laugh when I hear that you "wait on your attacker" and redirect his energy... and I don't know that Toyoda Sensei or any other Aikido teacher I've had has told me that. They have told me to "blend" with my attacker, but never what the great and hairy unwashed seem to think of Aikido's "principles"... that there's no attack in Aikido. As a fighting art, it's one of the principal skills... we just keep it well hidden.

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#280499 - 06/05/07 08:57 PM Re: Aikido vs any fighting art [Re: wristtwister]
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Is your reply to me ?

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#280500 - 06/05/07 10:03 PM Re: Aikido vs any fighting art [Re: evad74]
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Actually to both of you. Your understanding of the arts change with combat. While you can go on the great esoteric search for understanding licking postage stamps, the practical side of your arts depend on your intent in training. It has nothing to do with others, other than the fact that you need others to gain skills. The better their skills, the better yours.

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Its about knowing yourself, your body, and whats right for you.



That's learned by combat, in combat arts. It's called technique.

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The heart is to adapt to the moment.





"the moment" is what it is all about. The art "is" the moment.

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At the end, it depends on the situation and the people fighting.





Uh oh! Wrong answer, but thank you for playing...

Aikido is like a tornado... the center is calm, and everything around you is swept up in it's movement... if you touch it, you're swept away... but calm at the heart.

In any art, "you do what you do"... if it depends on anything outside of yourself, it isn't an art... it's a practice. If it depends on your opponents... it's sport or self defense.
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when you master an art...you dont master the art, but rather understand how to adapt the art to you


... no, you "become" the art... and "you do what you do". You only master yourself. Outside influences are only distractions from art... be they attackers, noise in the dojo, phone calls, pagers, or anything that interrupts your "extending ki", including misconceptions. They are simply "bumps in the road"...

I could write volumes, but that is the long and short of it.

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#280501 - 06/06/07 02:46 AM Re: Aikido vs any fighting art [Re: wristtwister]
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First of all,
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I hate to rain on the "kumbayah" parade





As for the rest, I think I can see what your saying, but I just took the statements differently. I think that you only get a good handle on a technique/principle once you make it yours, make it work with your strengths and weaknesses - not trying to learn/copy it exactly down to the smallest angle the way someone else is doing it. Everyones different. I went to a school one time were the sensei walked around with a clipboard putting it up to peoples arms to make sure there was a PERFECT right angle at the elbow...c'mon, get over yourself(not you).

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Quote:
The heart is to adapt to the moment.




"the moment" is what it is all about. The art "is" the moment.




I think that the ability to adapt to a situation or changing conditions is something that should be at the center of your training, no sense trying to think about "techniques" that you know - but train to go with what's happening. Similar to what you said about a good eye poke changing your plans.

As far as the "At the end, it depends on the situation and the people fighting", I think that any X vs Y thread could be answered this way. Situation = street/ring with rules. People = skilled/average/poor or agressive/passive.

Just my opinion, though I have to admit I didn't read every post in this thread so I may have taken it out of context.

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