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#278351 - 02/20/08 03:55 AM Re: Zombies! [Re: Ed_Morris]
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huh? I dunno, is there a difference? I just wouldn't want the zombies that can run, use weapons, drive, or learn. that would suck.




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#278352 - 02/20/08 05:30 AM Re: Zombies! [Re: Vennificus]
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never heard of hypothermia?
the fact is, as it gets colder, many parts of the body change and become slower,
the blood vessels for example
It wouldn't take too long for them to slow down to the point that it can get colder and the liquid freezes
not to mention snowdrifts.
have you ever tried to walk through a tall snowdrift? doesn't work




All the above rely on the body in question being alive not re-animated. Zombies do not have a core body temperature, so hypothermic reaction is void. They do not have circulation, so blood freezing is not an issue. As I said, the decomp process creates thermal energy (heat) so the freezing process would not occurr. Ever seen a big compost heap in the cold? It gives off 'steam' as the heat rises off of it and condenses in the cold air above- the centre of a compost heap can become extremely hot without external aid. A zombie is just a large concentration of rotting organic matter, so its the same.

As for the snow drift, you are right- its difficult to move through. A human has to battle fatigue, the cold, and panic as they move through such an environment. A zombie would not have any of those factors. It would be a deadly version of 'The tortoise and the Hare'
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#278353 - 02/20/08 06:10 AM Re: Zombies! [Re: Cord]
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then the bodies would decay too swiftly.
the Zombies you are talking about are all what has been dubbed "hell" or "infernal" zombies.
the brain dies and decays without oxygen without the brain the nerve can't pulse, without the nerves there is no movement. Not to mention, a zombie's head is it's weakness,

If, a rogue government, not unlike the ones stupid enough to build MORE nuclear (noo-clee-arr) warheads, where to cook up a zombie apocalypse, It is to their best bet to go with science, because let's face it. satan is too lazy, abaddon's in chains, and a bunch of the other guys downstairs just don't care enough to pick up the phone

the concept of a zombie can be interpreted as mainly "things that really should've stopped moving"
we pump them with holes and they only don't die right away.
they don't feel pain likely because the sensory nerves that run through the spinal cord have been largly deadened or weakened (hence the stumbling,). and the frontal lobe of the brain is responsible for concious thought, but not instinct, also likely targeted.
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#278354 - 02/20/08 02:16 PM Re: Zombies! [Re: Vennificus]
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then the bodies would decay too swiftly.




Cold is a preservative, so if anything, zombies should "last longer" in cold environments.


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the brain dies and decays without oxygen without the brain the nerve can't pulse, without the nerves there is no movement. Not to mention, a zombie's head is it's weakness




We have speculated earlier in the thread that the brain is not completely destroyed, although most of the higher functions are gone. I have also speculated that the zombie's metabolism is dramatically higher than a normal humans, accounting for both hunger and cold weather mobility.
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#278355 - 02/20/08 03:00 PM Re: Zombies! [Re: MattJ]
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So instead of sled dogs, the Iditarod should be raced with Zombies using a piece of fresh corpse on a long stick to motivate them (fast moving zombies only).

Bet I could set a new record, well, until they actually got a hold of the piece of corpse and were looking for seconds. (YIKES)
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#278356 - 02/20/08 03:43 PM Re: Zombies! [Re: RazorFoot]
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Wow, that is some deep discussional thought about zombies; this has taken it to the next level. Both with some thought out stuff.

I would have to agree that the cold temperatures would reek havoc on the zombies. I've come across many animal carcasses in the cold snow and that I would compare to the zombie. It is hard, "extremely" hard and the snow and cold do destroy it as it would the zombie. What is left of the mind that drives it would cease to exist as it freezes. In fact dead skin that dies usually falls off. AND THEN you have to add the cycle of life into the equation. Roving animals would smell the decaying zombie and would have themselves an easy snack; think a 10 foot tall polar bear.
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#278357 - 02/20/08 05:10 PM Re: Zombies! [Re: Dereck]
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But ifthe zombies attacked the polar bear would we have a zombie bear?

Prett frightening as, allegedly, the polar bear is one of the only predators with a specific hunt pattern for humans.
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#278358 - 02/20/08 05:31 PM Re: Zombies! [Re: trevek]
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#278359 - 02/20/08 06:36 PM Re: Zombies! [Re: Dereck]
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What is left of the mind that drives it would cease to exist as it freezes. In fact dead skin that dies usually falls off. AND THEN you have to add the cycle of life into the equation. Roving animals would smell the decaying zombie and would have themselves an easy snack; think a 10 foot tall polar bear.




Zombie Flesh Eaters sets a precident for evidence that the re-animated corpse responds differently to factors that destroy inanemate dead tissue, also, it shows the Zombie to fare well against predatory animals in their own environment.

Dead flesh when submerged in water decomposes and loses structure at a greatly accelerated rate, yet in Zombie flesh Eaters, a zombie attacks a (very hot female) scuba diver. She only escapes due to the intervention of a shark, which the zombie promptly fights, bites and kills!

Then there is the situation in 'oasis of the zombies' (aka zombie lake), where the re-animates have been submerged and dormant for YEARS, yet the soft tissue retains its form and function.

In many zombie movies, the dead 'rise from the grave', indicating that they have been deceased for some time, and whilst the embalming process will slow decay to an extent, it is far from complete mummification/preservation, so again, there is evidence that cellular decay differs in the undead.
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#278360 - 02/21/08 01:33 AM Re: Zombies! [Re: Cord]
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wasn't there a film with german soldier zombies in a lake? Zombie Lake?
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