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#277808 - 09/01/06 03:13 AM Re: what style should i train in? [Re: Pong]
Woku Offline
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Don't train in any style, you'll be much better off, look into Bruce Lee's work Jeet Kune Do to start off with, I think you'll find it, enlightening.

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#277809 - 09/01/06 04:44 AM Re: what style should i train in? [Re: Woku]
splice Offline
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Don't train in any style, you'll be much better off, look into Bruce Lee's work Jeet Kune Do to start off with, I think you'll find it, enlightening.




Well, thank god for the opiniated newbie with the empty profile, else we just wouldn't know what to do, right?

Tell me, in what way would anyone be "better off" by winging it and ignoring formal instruction? I mean, I'm sure it's better for the fragile egos out there, but apart from that?

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#277810 - 09/01/06 07:03 AM Re: what style should i train in? [Re: splice]
Woku Offline
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Who said I was newbie, and everyone here is opinionated, it is a forum after all Oh, and I'm not surprised your threatened, virtually no noe reads works like Jeet Kune Do, such works are a threa to stylized martial arts.

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#277811 - 09/01/06 07:05 AM Re: what style should i train in? [Re: Woku]
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Who said I was newbie, and everyone here is opinionated, it is a forum after all Oh, and I'm not surprised your threatened, virtually no noe reads works like Jeet Kune Do, such works are a threa to stylized martial arts.


Man, if ONLY there was a thread on the index that said Jeet Kune Do.....
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#277812 - 09/01/06 07:32 AM Re: what style should i train in? [Re: alphawolf]
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I'd recommend not only reading the book, but actually studying Bruce Lee and his life. In his later years he spoke of his years of instruction as being a time when he learned about "ignorance". Bruce Lee was of course not the only person to ever advocate a no style approach, which you could argue is a style in and of itself, which it is not, but he was the most prolific. Basically he felt that ritualized movements, stylized forms, and set patterns of attack and defense simply locked a person into a never ending dance, lengthening the engagement, and ultimately severaly limiting the adaptability of one's movements in relation to others in combat.Notice in his later years how he wore clothes which had no affiliation with any martial arts style of any kind when training, or in his films. He took his pursuits very seriously. I had formed my own philosophy and beliefs long before reading this work, but when I discovered it, I felt very good that someone else other then myself shared these views, and many do. However they are a threat to the commerical and ego laden martial arts world, and, like Bruce Lee, who was scorned in his time, will be scorned now as well. I have spoken with many here in china, and even most professional Gung Fu practioners here have yet to read this work, so it doe's not surprise me that many here of not. A passing familiarity is one thing, and doe's not surprise me, but understanding and following this philosophy, that's another. Anyhow, nope, I have no style, is that a problem, obviously it is for some, oh well, thats life. As long as you respect my opinions' I'll respect yours. Just too much nonsense and fancy gobbly gook for me.


Edited by Woku (09/01/06 07:38 AM)

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#277813 - 09/01/06 09:42 AM Re: what style should i train in? [Re: Woku]
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So far as I've been able to determine, Bruce Lee was not advocating anything that more traditional styles don't advocate. He was just a fan of skipping all the stuff in the middle. All styles that I've ever heard anythign about advocate reaching a level in training where the student is able to move freely from one movement to the next, from one attack to the next without being boxed in by the particular techniques of the system. The difference is that that point does not come for a LONG way into training usually. The belief is that you must first learn the basics of how to do things before you can reach that point. Those basics must be drilled into muscle memory so that you can forget about them.

Any spas can move freely in a fight and do whatever pops into mind. There must be some basis for how to go about things or the student will always be off balance, generate little power, misjudge distance, have poor hasuji, etc.


Edited by Charles Mahan (09/01/06 09:50 AM)
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#277814 - 09/02/06 12:23 PM Re: what style should i train in? [Re: Charles Mahan]
Woku Offline
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Registered: 09/01/06
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I would say charles you have mininterpreted his teaching. He was not teaching to do away with the stuff in the middle. No forms, no fixed fighting positions, none of the gobbly gook that makes a style. I think yuo need to break down and analyze what it is thats makes a "style" beforer you actually try and talk to use about what Bruce Lee's intent was. No offense, but your grasp is very much on the surface of this philosophy, and you need further understanding. Basically you need to get your head out of your ego. Anyhow, I welcome talking to you when you can more thoroughly discuss the subject with me.

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#277815 - 09/02/06 07:21 PM Re: what style should i train in? [Re: Woku]
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. No offense, but your grasp is very much on the surface of this philosophy, and you need further understanding.



No offense taken. You are quite correct, my understanding of Bruce Lee's teachings is pretty limited to the kind of stuff you and others like you have posted, combined with various documentaries where he talks about it. That's about the extent of my knowledge on the topic. I disagree that I need further understanding. I need no such thing. It is not relevant to my line of study.
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