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#277245 - 08/07/06 02:35 AM pets
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I am thinking of getting a dog, probably a husky since i have wanted one for a long time. Im open for suggestions though, and reading info on dog breeds isnt really as good as personal experience people may have had. Any of you have any specific type of dog/pet in general that you like?
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#277246 - 08/07/06 03:47 AM Re: pets [Re: alphawolf]
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The trick here is to look at the different breeds of dog, there needs and specific attributes, and choose the one most likely to suit your lifestyle.

Some dogs need more exercising than others, some need more mental stimulation, some more training. Some are more prone to illness, some need more grooming. The differences are endless, but the one constant is that good dog ownership is as much of a responsibility as having a child, and should not be taken on lightly.

We have a french bulldog called Alice. They are a small but powerful breed, very affectionate, playfull and excellent temperament so safe around children. They require a lot of interaction and attention,and low to moderate exercise. They are short haired and not prone to excessive moulting.
The breed is prone to breathing problems due to being brachiacephalic (spelling?) essentialy, as with all bull breeds, their faces are too short for their palletes leading to that rasping panting and grumbling that you get with bulldogs. Good KC registered breeders have minimised this problem however, through good matching of mates, and Alice is a clear breather.
'Frenchies' have poor tolerance to extremes of hot and cold, and have to have external cooling (shade, damp cloth wipedowns, lots of rest) in temps of around 70F and above, and a dog coat for winter walks.
Average lifespan for frenchies is not great at around 8 years, though better than British bulldog which is only 6 years. Clear breathers have often been known to reach double figures so I am hoping Alice gets a long time with us.


Alice is tailor made for us, we adore and dote upon her, but we researched the breed thoroughly, talked to breeders, went to KC frenchie shows and talked to owners, we even phoned around the vets in out local area to find one with experience of the breed. then when we were sure, we went ahead.

Whatever breed you decide upon, show it love, humane discipline, and let it meet and greet as many dogs and children as you can as it grows up to ensure it is well socialised. Basic training classes dont hurt either.

Do not buy from puppy farms, look for reputable breeders who will let you meet both the parent dogs of the litter, and will not let you take the puppy from its mother until the litter is at least 12 weeks old.
Good responsible breeders charge more for a puppy, but you get a healthier dog so save money on vet fees in the long run. You will also know that your puppy's parents are not subject to the animal cruelty involved in farming.

Research and care are the key words here.
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#277247 - 08/07/06 01:26 PM Re: pets [Re: alphawolf]
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May I suggest that you head on down to the local animal shelter. There you will most likely find a wonderful pet that is in desparate need for a good home, least he/she be put down in a few days. With a "mutt" you hopefully won't have to deal with the genetic problems that come along with pure breeds (my sister has a bichon and has a mess of health issues due to inbreeding). Also, think about your lifestyle, where you live (apt. vs. house), local ordinaces (some areas have banned certain breeds (mostly pit bulls - a big contraversy here in the greater KC area), and whether or not you have kids.

Personally, I am not a dog person, we're cat people. My husband doesn't like dogs and I'm allergic to them. But really, check out the pound before you look for a pet store or a breeder.
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#277248 - 08/07/06 01:32 PM Storm Katrina's dogs [Re: alphawolf]
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Just to add to the prior post by QuietGal...many of the dogs that were rescued after Storm Katrina are still needing homes. My boss just adopted a black labrador through a local vet who was part of a program to place the rescued animals. There was an interview period, a time to borrow the dog, to see if it would be a good fit...and it worked out very well.

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#277249 - 08/07/06 10:05 PM Re: pets [Re: alphawolf]
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I would suggest a mix of Cord's and QuietGals's response. Do some research on what type of breeds would be best for your situation, and try to find one at an animal rescue. There are many breed specific dog rescue groups that will help find a dog for you. My wife's mother has an Australian shephard rescue, and my cousin has a Great Dane (God they're huge! I love those dogs!) rescue.
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#277250 - 08/08/06 02:52 PM Re: pets [Re: alphawolf]
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Get a pitbull, I know they have a bad rep. but they make great pets and are very loyal and protective and as long as it ain't one of those virbrating imbred hyper kind they are real smart too. And as long as you like another person, the dog will too, if they know you don't like someone, they won't like 'em either, that's the way mine is. And last time I checked (which was a few months ago)Pitbulls were like # 52 on the worst biting dog list.
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#277251 - 08/08/06 03:07 PM Re: pets [Re: alphawolf]
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Dogs are great. My Bullmastiff and I are like family...which makes me a real dog, but she thinks she is human. Go with your heart on the choice. If you want to adopt, by all means there are great dogs to adopt, if you want papers and all that go through a reliable Kennel Club. Do some research on the breed and be honest with yourself about the time and energy you will be able to spend on the dog. It will make your pet and you a lot happier. I would also suggest taking the dog to a class such as offered by PetSmart or PetCo to get them a bit of disipline and training. Good Luck! Post a pic of what you get. My Bullmastiff, who's name is Harley can be seen at her web page Here!
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#277252 - 08/08/06 05:12 PM Re: pets [Re: PaulHart]
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I love bull mastiffs. In my old neighborhood, there was a lady who used to sit on her porch and hold court with various passers-by. She had a big sweet goofball of a bull mastiff.

If we had the space, I would love to get one.
Apparently the world's record for biggest bull mastiff is something like 200 pounds.
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#277253 - 08/10/06 02:50 AM Re: pets [Re: Steel91]
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Steel91...I know that you have a thing for pit bulls, and I will say that I definatly don't get it. They are ugly and aggressive. But hey, it's your opinion, I have my opinion, but we'll still all get along.

But real point here...check with your local ordinances about certain breeds and aggressive animals. Kansas City, Kansas has an ordinace againt Pit Bulls that has been in place for 16 years, though it did not help the 71 year old grandmother that was recently mauled to death. Tuesday a boy was bitten severly by a Rotwiller (spelling?) and the aggressive animal issue was brought into play by the media, the family of the boy, and the politicians. I know that several other cities in the area have regulations against such animals or are considering them. Your area may have something similar, so save yourself a headache and some money and check to see what the local rules are about animals in the area.
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#277254 - 08/10/06 11:27 AM Re: pets [Re: QuietGal]
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Those laws are [censored]. A poodle can be just as mean as a pit bull, rottweiler, or any other dog. A properly trained and cared for dog will be just as sweet and loving as any other.

The problem is a self-perpetuating sterotype. These dogs are stereotyped as "aggressive, mean dogs" so people who want to look all big and bad get them and don't train them or do train them to be mean and aggressive. Something happens and they actually do act on their training (or lack thereof) and, Surprise, it's on the news. Why don't you hear about the cocker spaniel attacking someone? Because it's not impressive.

Pits and other bully breeds are the dog du jour to legislate against and it makes me sick. In the 80s it was German Shepards, 90s was Rottweilers, now it's bully breeds. You can treat a chihuahua the same way and have a mean, nasty, agressive dog. The fact that these are muscular work dogs people run and hide when they see them.

I've had a 100lb rottweiler come into my store(a pet store) and the only risk of injury is them licking you to death.

Legislating against dogs is [censored] and the highest level of ignorance. We should legislate against stupid people and those who don't train their dogs or treat them properly.
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#277255 - 08/10/06 11:29 AM Re: pets [Re: JoelM]
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Joel...does this also apply to the mixed breed of wolf/dog that are being sold?

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#277256 - 08/10/06 11:37 AM Re: pets [Re: harlan]
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No. Wolf/dog mixes are stupid and dangerous. They are closely related but not the same species.

Dog= Canis familiaris
Wolf= Canis lupus ssp.

They can breed and produce fertile offspring, but that doesn't mean that they should be bred. Wolves are wild animals and dogs are domesticated. Yes they have common ancestors, but so do we and chimps, Should we breed with chimps?

I don't have a bunch of info on these mixes but I do not agree with the breeding or owning of them.
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#277257 - 08/10/06 11:54 AM Re: pets [Re: harlan]
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Wolf/Dog mix canines are very strictly controlled in the UK, with a specific maximum genetic 'wolfishness' allowed in breeding for them to be considered eligable as a domestic animal. Even then, the feral instinct makes for a temperemantal animal with very distinct behavioural triggers.

As for bull breeds, I am biased as i have a bulldog, but Joel is completely correct in his take on the matter. Bull breeds have overwhelmingly positive character traits that do not correspond with their appearance that some see as fearsome. it actually takes concerted and methodical training and abuse to turn a bull breed into a fighting dog- it is against their natural temperament. Some of this 'training' is horrific and would turn a Pug into Cujo.

i have grown up around bull breeds, great danes, wolf hounds and rottweilers; and the only dog that ever bit me was a Jack Russell- a breed that is responsible for more domestic attacks than any other, and is known for its irritable 'snappy' nature. We dont legislate them of course- the media dont consider 'old lady bitten by Jack Russell' to be as good copy as 'Pensioner mauled by devil dog!'

Look up 'French bulldog' on google video for terrifying bulldog behaviour in action
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#277258 - 08/10/06 12:05 PM Re: pets [Re: Cord]
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Personally, I'm terrified of poodles! No kidding. My ballet teacher owned 2 French Poodles...and they used to terrorize us kids when the owner's back was turned.

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#277259 - 08/10/06 02:18 PM Re: pets [Re: JoelM]
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I am not entirely disagreeing with you. Yes, all dogs can bite and be aggressive. When I was little, a neighbor was badly mauled by a bassett hound (which are the only dogs I actually like). I consider bassetts to be one of the sweetest breeds around, but they too have the potential to hurt someone.

However, whether or not you think a law is garbage, it is the law until you can successfully lobby to get the legislator or city council to change the law. You also have to consider the liability and responsibility of having a certain kind of dog. If the dog does hurt or kill someone, you could be charged and convicted of anything from assault to murder (probably involuntary manslaughter unless you directly sicced the animal on the victim). Then you have to deal with hefty fines and possible jail time, not to mention personal feelings of guilt - if you are a decent person and have a conscious.

I will go back and say again, despite what ever you feel on the subject, you need to check with local ordinances before you buy certain kinds of dogs.

Give me a cat any day - IMO.
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#277260 - 08/10/06 02:59 PM Re: pets [Re: QuietGal]
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I agree with what the others are saying about Bully Breeds. Also, having had a Tindel Wolf (70% wolf/30%shepard) and it was a great dog, like most animals, it is all in how it is treated.

I had a friend who use to take his cat with him everywhere. The cat would sit in the front floor board of the car. While at a local hang out, Garcia's Pizza in the parking lot, a guy with a pitbull was being a pain and my friend said, my cat can take your dog. This made the guy mad and he said his dog would kill any cat. They put them in this walled in area behind the theatre and sure enough, the cat actually killed the dog. Now some will say that this is immpossible but what I failed to mention was the guys cat was a pure breed Bobcat that he had since it was a kitten.

We don't actually own any living thing. They exist with us, either well, or not so well. They are thier own spirit and make thier own dicisions about things. Like children, if you teach them to be open minded and reasonable, they will do great.
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#277261 - 08/10/06 03:03 PM Re: pets [Re: QuietGal]
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You also have to consider the liability and responsibility of having a certain kind of dog.




You must approach the ownership of any and all dogs with a responsibility to raise them well socialised and exposed to kindness and appropriate discipline- they are not a breed specific set of conditions.

Cats are awesome creatures, but do not tend display the level of reciprocal affection that dogs do, on the plus side, this tends to make them more independant/lower maintenance.

Its worth considering that children are far more likely to be injured by a cat than a dog however. ( )
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#277262 - 08/10/06 03:21 PM Re: pets [Re: Cord]
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Quote - "Its worth considering that children are far more likely to be injured by a cat than a dog however."

Quite true, which is why I don't let any young kids near my cats, despite the fact that they are very gentle. They do have their claws and aren't around kids. I don't know how they would react to a kid that inavertantly hurts or alarms them. It is not the risk.

Dogs do seem to be more affectionate and people seem to want something that will reciprocate their feelings. I am lucky that my cats are very affectionate and personable. Many cats aren't or it is just towards one person. I know that this sounds like a crazy cat lady here, but they have been here for me when I was really sick and/or my husband was away. They have added to the quality of my life, which is what any pet should do for you.
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#277263 - 08/10/06 03:31 PM Re: pets [Re: QuietGal]
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The most important thing is not to buy a small hyperactive dog, because it will drive you crazy with it's incessant high-pitched barking. A good rule of thumb is that if you think you could punt kick it over a fence, it's too small.

<--- Ride hiding from angry Cord.
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#277264 - 08/10/06 04:35 PM Re: pets [Re: rideonlythelabel]
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I have greyhounds, retired race dogs actually. They are great dogs but are not for everyone. Some have special needs because of abuse from the race track, some don't. They don't really do well in extreme temps, they are very lazy but need a fenced in yard for an occasional sprint. There is a lot of info on the net about them. They are definately not much protection, or for tough guys. I really just like to watch them run at about 45mph.

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#277265 - 08/10/06 10:25 PM Re: pets [Re: motobusmonkey]
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Dogs are pack animals, cats are not. That is why dogs reciprocate love and affection on a larger scale. If you don't interacte with the others in your pack (owners), then you will not remain a part of that pack.
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#277266 - 08/27/06 04:20 PM Re: pets [Re: motobusmonkey]
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I love all animals. The Greyhounds from the tracks are awesome animals. They look so fragile, but I have played with a few who were owned by friends and they are not. My problem is I want to keep feeding them because they always look to me like they should eat more. Our pets say something about us. My dog may as well be a part of the family, we stop for food, the dog gets a hotdog or hamburger to munch on. People think I am strange, but what do I care?
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#277267 - 08/27/06 05:17 PM Re: pets [Re: PaulHart]
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I love all animals. The Greyhounds from the tracks are awesome animals. They look so fragile, but I have played with a few who were owned by friends and they are not. My problem is I want to keep feeding them because they always look to me like they should eat more. Our pets say something about us. My dog may as well be a part of the family, we stop for food, the dog gets a hotdog or hamburger to munch on. People think I am strange, but what do I care?




Thats not strange at all. Our dog gets a birthday party, christmas presents, she shares our food (gets her own half of crispy duck if we have a chinese take away), and shares our bed- when I get off night shift, she scooches over into the middle (having been sprawled all over my side) and I get into a toasty warm bed
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#277268 - 08/27/06 07:24 PM Re: pets [Re: Cord]
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That isn't strang at all. If you go through the drive through at Tim Horton's, if you have a dog they will give you a tid pit (donut hole) for the dog. I am also finding many stores allowing people to bring their pets into. Pet Smart especially allows you to bring your pets in ... mind you that is a pet supply store and they will groom your pet for you or babysit it while you shop.
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#277269 - 08/27/06 09:14 PM Re: pets [Re: Dereck]
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Dogs have owners

Cats have staff...

Its a well known fact!
If you like being an owner, get a dog
If you like looking after an animal get a cat.
Hey why not get both!

btw before anyone gets upset with the above, I have a dog [a Doberwoman] and have always had dogs.

and I have 2 cats, both of which came from the SPCA.

I used to breed cats and at one time had over 50 pedigree cats.
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#277270 - 08/27/06 10:55 PM Re: pets [Re: Reiki]
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I had an Alaskian Malamute for 7 years. His name was Shilo.

I love all animals. I especially love dogs. My breed of choice is a Husky.

There is something with me and animals and children. They appear to be naturally attracted to me. The other day on the subway the owner of this dog temporarily let go of the .leash to get something out of her pocket. As soon as she did the dog walked from where he was and just laid down at my feet. It was cute.

Yesterday at Niagara Falls, ON waiting for the Skylon elevator somebody's child came up from behind me and grabbed onto my hand. It was cute but the mother was embarassed.

It's rather odd.

I can't wait to graduate and move to a bigger place so I can get another pet.

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#277271 - 08/27/06 10:57 PM Re: pets [Re: Reiki]
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Dogs have owners

Cats have staff..




That is so, so very true!

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#277272 - 08/28/06 09:35 AM Re: pets [Re: Christie]
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I love all animals. I especially love dogs. My breed of choice is a Husky.




I love Huskies, that would be my choice for a big dog. Unfortunately living in the city doesn't give it enough chance to run around free so has always been one of the biggest reasons for not getting one. Currently have no pets ... well I shouldn't say that ... my wife has a Lion's Maned Hair Dwarfed Rabbit. It is some special breed that literally has a puff of fur around its head like a lion. She has had it a couple of years so the mane is not as puffy as it used to be. Darn thing goes in a kitty litter like a cat and boy can that thing move. Stays in a cage at night and we limit it to where it can go in the house otherwise he is too hard to put away at night. Interesting pet for sure ... I wonder if Huskies like eating rabbits?
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#277273 - 09/03/06 09:53 AM Re: pets [Re: Dereck]
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I don't think it much matters what breed of dog you get, they all have their own personalities and respond to how they're treated. I've had everything from mongrel Heinz 57's to purebreds, and have enjoyed each one of them for their particular personalities. Some were more aggresive than others, so I had to keep them on a shorter leash... some were so friendly they would hold the door for a burglar... but each one had it's own distinct personality... and when "picking a puppy", you have no idea of how they'll turn out until you're there...

I'd say "pick a puppy", and don't get too attached to it until you see how it is going to respond to your treatment. If it's not friendly, give it to someone who wants a "guard dog" and keep changing until you find one you like... Just don't keep one you're afraid of...

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#277274 - 09/03/06 02:45 PM Re: pets [Re: Cord]
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A Commondorock-commondor is one of the best dogs in the world,although I have only had half breed commondors;one mixed with Ausie sheppard, another with bernise mountain dog,I can honestly say that these sheep dogs are awesome. Loyal,fierce,and,well just get one.
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#277275 - 09/05/06 12:28 AM Re: pets [Re: Cord]
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Hey Cord, your my kind of "people" thats for sure. I had two cats I adopted from a no kill shelter, and will adopt another when I get to a place that I can. I am an animal nutt. I truly love Akita's, they are great family dogs, bigger than a shepard or husky, yet fantastic dogs. I have had Rotties, Shepards and Mutts as well, all are great. I honestly think it should be illegal to raise a child without a pet. Teaches all kinds of good stuff. Maybe they should make a law like that instead of the Laws they make that really don't make sense.
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