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#276809 - 08/08/06 01:41 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: McSensei]
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Andy,

I've got to agree with the others and as Mr Moyer said, the headbutter is the one who walks away from the situation.

You've pointed out several mistakes the guy made, but I'd rather be the guy who makes loads of mistakes and walks away than the guy that is technically perfect and spends the night in hospital.


Hi there.

Well I can see your point but if a person made the mistakes the headbutter made on the vidio against a decent fighter then that person technical or not is going to lose




Thanks



Edited by ANDY44 (08/08/06 02:39 PM)

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#276810 - 08/08/06 01:51 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: JasonM]
ANDY44 Offline
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You saw the head butter made many mistakes. But he is the one that fled injury free. It comes down to if the headbutter felt threatened. We can watch and assume all we want, but have no idea on the words that were exchanged, etc


Hi there

Yes you are correct, I think he mis took the head buttees strutting for a woman to be aggresive behavoire but the definite article here is that the headbutter made basic fundimental mistakes.
He was lucky the head buttee wasnt a fighter.

I have pointed out his flaws. These flaws are common to a lot of street fighters.


If Im going to be attacked then I would rather the attacker had these flaws.
I would rather not be attacked but I dont make the rules.
But isnt that what self defence is about?



Thanks

Andy


Edited by ANDY44 (08/08/06 01:58 PM)

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#276811 - 08/08/06 02:10 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: Gavin]
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What I saw was a lack of team work the bouncers in the same colored T-shrits look like them were caught off guard. When he grabbed the smaller guy and began this assualt, before the head butted him, they should have been on the aggressor, while verbal commanding the smaller guy to stand down.

As they both of them held the aggressor. Which would have stopped the head butt and the bouncer from being KO'd.

If things happened too fast, radio the front door for more help, the bouncer were in T-shirt and jeans look like a rolling block or dbl leg, would have tackled the guy as he approached. I had a buddy staggered by a face blow, bc he was too nicely dressed to hit the floor.

I mean protecting the clients & establishment is not the only reason bouncers, bounce. There are perks being KO'd is not one of them, but it happens.

Lag in responce time and Lack of Team work. The why, It happen is unimportant. Tell it to the judge or the cops, you're out of here. Till tomorrow night.

The guys technique I won't rate him, it worked and thats all that count in a bar fight. My 2 cent.


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#276812 - 08/08/06 02:36 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: Neko456]
ANDY44 Offline
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Lag in responce time and Lack of Team work. The why, It happen is unimportant. Tell it to the judge or the cops, you're out of here. Till tomorrow night

Hi Neko

Yep. Def getting fired from the job material.
Most observant doormen would have started to pick up things when the headbuttee was doing his woman strutting stuff long time before the headbutter approached the headbuttee.
Then slowly headed in that direction and watched as the scene unfolds.


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#276813 - 08/09/06 03:43 AM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: McSensei]
ANDY44 Offline
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Hi just an after thought

In a street fight or any fight for the matter positioning is everything.
I have pointed out the headbutters bad positioning based on the vidio therefore what happend.
So I dont think that is classed as a theory more reality.

Either way its there if required.

Thanks


Edited by ANDY44 (08/09/06 03:44 AM)

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#276814 - 08/14/06 02:12 AM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: ANDY44]
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Andy444 wrote - Yep. Def getting fired from the job material.


Neko456 - They won't fire you for getting Ko'd thats sorta like earning your stripes. Usually these places are short handed as you can tell initation is not kind, but thats what you get paid for to take one so the customers don't have to.

The only time I rememeber a guy quitting not fired was after being KO'd and left in a car wash. Poor team work he was big and thought he didn't need team work. WRONG!!! His wife asked that he quit, Little George (of course a big ole dude) didn't want to but she feared for his safety because they had just had a baby boy, Lit.. George jr.

Getting rough up is part of the job, even with good team work, in some of those Cat fights, a girls almost bite your fingers off, trying to get back at the other woman!!
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