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#276789 - 08/06/06 10:52 AM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: ANDY44]
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The doormen should have been looking for this type of event to happen.

Unless the night club/pub was undermanned





Or the doormen were just big and stupid. I've encountered PLENTY of that variety.


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#276790 - 08/06/06 11:08 AM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: ANDY44]
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Nice guess, Andy, more than likely wrong, though.

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#276791 - 08/06/06 01:12 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: JoelM]
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Nice guess, Andy, more than likely wrong, though.




Does than mean you dont think the small guy was called KID CANDLE??

One blow and he is out?




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#276792 - 08/06/06 01:15 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: ANDY44]
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Both people went down after one shot. I'm not disagreeing with that, but with your fanciful analysis of the events based off of a fuzzy security camera with no sound.
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#276793 - 08/06/06 02:10 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: JoelM]
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Hi there


My conclusions were based on body language some thing I have had to learn to read over the years and one of the reasons why I am still around and healthy and in one piece.

I dont think apart from the specualtion/jokes that any thing was fanciful but rather from the reading of body language and experience.

Courts go by body language not just by the spoken word.

The shots were on the scale of good to bad

Bad

The guy who threw them was bang out of order he could have settled the argument with out them.

As regards the technical aspect

He grabbed and then head butted. Stupid move.

One defence to a head butt is to lower the head so the head butter ends up getting head butted in the face.

The punch.

Took to long in throwing it.


Both were against un trained fighters
un prepared people so the techniques looked good.



I think if this vidio went to court then the head butt would be guilty go to prison

the punch well border line


The small guy no charge what ever



Ous.









Edited by ANDY44 (08/06/06 08:15 PM)

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#276794 - 08/06/06 08:26 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: JoelM]
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From J Kogas

Well, you don't let anyone into your "space" for one thing. Kind of hard to do in nightclubs where EVERYONE is in your space. But it shouldn't be too hard to read aggression or a situation that's going south quick. Physically, you don't let anyone come into your space without having your hands in front of you.

Honestly, things like this often come as the result of someone not staying aware / alert and using their brain

Or the doormen were just big and stupid. I've encountered PLENTY of that variety.



Hi John Kogas.

I agree totaly with your above statement.Both the guys who got hit should have been thinking like that then the guy doing the hitting couldnt have done what he did.

The doorman/men should have seen the signs and stopped it before it got to the hitting stage
Although in this country they have tried to train doormen by making them do courses before they get a doormans badge which includes reading the signs for problems.

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Just an after thought,




If they were all jumping about and talking to each other in fairly close proximity that would indicate loud music there fore voices might be difficult to understand.

All the more reason to be aware of body language.



Edited by ANDY44 (08/06/06 10:00 PM)

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#276795 - 08/06/06 08:39 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: JoelM]
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Hi Joel. I am curious what you think went down. I still have no idea.
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#276796 - 08/06/06 09:04 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: JasonM]
ANDY44 Offline
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so was the guy that won, defending his girls or what? It looks like the one guy was talking to the chic then the guy comes off the bar. Then it lays out the guy talking to his chic and takes out the other too. Is that how everyone else saw it?


Answer
No he wasnt defending his girls.
The chick decided to talk to the guy
Yes he did lay out the guy talking to one of the chics
Yes he did lay out the other guy( the one who got a punch) because the other guy put his hand on his shoulder,




Edited by ANDY44 (08/06/06 09:48 PM)

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#276797 - 08/06/06 09:48 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: JasonM]
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I have no idea. We have no idea who is with who, although it doesn't seem that the headbutter is there with the headbuttee. The headbuttee does not seem to congenially approach the girl, but more of an aggressive move from behind. But of course we can't even tell if he makes comment to the female or the male or he entire group.

The guy who gets punched out to me seems to have been with the guy who was headbutted. Why else would he stay in contact with the aggressor?

As for the security force, nobod knows how big this place is or if the security was dealing with other problems. As for them seeing the problem and intervening, there was only 12 seconds between when he approaches the man and woman and gets headbutted.
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#276798 - 08/06/06 10:13 PM Re: Text book perfect! [Re: JoelM]
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There was the signs of tension between the two
the head butter and the head buttee for some time with glances etc



The fact that the other two as passer byes(one of whom got punched) walked up when the head buttee made his move on the girl was
another sign.Yes

Security should have picked up on the postering/Body language of all of the people who were involved.

I dont think it matters where the sucurity were

The place where the incident happened wasnt to crowded.
If the complaint goes in to the police of constant fights then the licencee loses his licence.

More than likely the two who got knocked out would have had to be logged in an accidents book and would have been seen to by an ambulance crew etc.

Just my thoughts
Still think it is poor security.





Edited by ANDY44 (08/06/06 10:30 PM)

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