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#276536 - 09/01/06 09:14 AM Re: Bokken care and maintenance? [Re: Woku]
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You're experience has been somewhat different than mine. The knife store cheapos are great for solo waza. They'll last forever. For kumitachi, they are worthless to the point of being dangerous. They break. The grain of the wood is just to wide. The wood isn't very dense and thus somewhat brittle. They don't hold up well over time. A good white oak bokuto, such as the one's Kiyota sells for around $30 are beaters with a much tighter grain. They'll last a goodly long time. No need for sanding. Best of all they won't break during kumitachi leaving a nasty jagged end for someone to get hurt on.
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#276537 - 09/02/06 01:14 AM Re: Bokken care and maintenance? [Re: Subedei]
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I'm not really sure why you'd need to care for your bokken. I've been abusing mine for years now and I've never once oiled it or attempted to keep it somewhere dry, etc. This also includes striking various hard objects with it at close to full force. It's not developed a single crack although it certainly has become quite dented. All in all though, it's just not quite as pretty, it's lost no functionality whatsoever.




That's been my experience as well. I've gone thru two quality white oak bokken for about 10 years of practice involving paired patterns of hard knocks and didn't have to sand or oil at all. $35 per bokken and years and years of weekly use and smacks.

Add up the time and labor in sanding and the extra bucks for oil....too much effort for me. I suppose if you want to obsess over stuff like that - whatever floats your boat - or bokken in oil

Erik

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#276538 - 09/02/06 12:08 PM Re: Bokken care and maintenance? [Re: ErikTracy]
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You folks must not spar much, or generate much in the way of pounds per sqaure inch, even the best eventually break, and I've gone through a lot. If your not breaking them, you need to spar more, learn to hit harder, or both. Proper form and technique will generate not in the hundreds but in the thousands of pounds per square inch with a sword. Trust me, your not doing it right if junko bokens and even good Japan white oak are lasting you that long, sounds more like hobbyist types and game playing to me. For the real stuff, yeah, sorry, they break, and need constant maintenance. Never ceases to amaze me how so many are surprised a boken would need maintenence when theirs never has, lol, if you use them right and often, they do.

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#276539 - 09/02/06 05:09 PM Re: Bokken care and maintenance? [Re: Woku]
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You folks must not spar much, or generate much in the way of pounds per sqaure inch, even the best eventually break, and I've gone through a lot. If your not breaking them, you need to spar more, learn to hit harder, or both. Proper form and technique will generate not in the hundreds but in the thousands of pounds per square inch with a sword. Trust me, your not doing it right if junko bokens and even good Japan white oak are lasting you that long, sounds more like hobbyist types and game playing to me. For the real stuff, yeah, sorry, they break, and need constant maintenance. Never ceases to amaze me how so many are surprised a boken would need maintenence when theirs never has, lol, if you use them right and often, they do.




Different strokes for different styles.

Your use of the term 'spar' indicates to me a different mind set from what the norm for 'koryu' is. We do paired kata just about every week. But the emphasis is on technique not the amount of force you use. That is completely contrary to how to properly use the katana anyway - at least in the way we are taught. Perhaps you do not use shinken for tameshigiri or know how easy it is to cut with proper technique? It takes surprisingly little effort with good technique - anything more is a waste of energy and effort. But if you like to run your practices with the emphasis to see how brutally hard you can swing and smash bokken - well, that is your school - but not mine.

I prefer to practice then sand and oil :-)

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#276540 - 09/02/06 07:13 PM Re: Bokken care and maintenance? [Re: ErikTracy]
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It takes surprisingly little effort with good technique - anything more is a waste of energy and effort.




Not to mention that overpowering cuts tends to completely destroy hasuji, without which you will not cut worth a darn no matter how hard you swing.

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