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#274564 - 10/05/06 03:10 AM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: bloodyrath15]
paco Offline

Registered: 10/04/06
Posts: 10
hi guys,
the cheapest real blade that is made in the traditional japanese way costs 299 euros and is made by john lee. the blade is folded 12 times and got real good critics. the name of the blade is john lee 2. it is made in china, that's why it's so cheap.

#274565 - 10/05/06 06:30 AM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: Woku]
splice Offline

Registered: 01/24/05
Posts: 230
Loc: Ottawa, ON

There is a lot of elitism on this board, and, while many of them mean well, they don't know much.


Chen and other super high end swords are also for sale on ebay

Chen, super high end swords? Well, you may mean well, but it appears that you don't know much either.

Chen are barely acceptable swords. They make good beaters or beginners swords, or if you're on a really tight budget and can't afford anything else. But "super high end sword"? What's nosyu then, super duper high end sword? What about a shinken made by a new traditional smith? Extra super duper high end sword? A juyo token? Hyper extra monster super duper top high end sword?

Chen's sword are basic beaters for people on a budget. A super high end sword costs tens of thousands of dollars. Your evaluation of Chen's swords seems to be just a bit off.

#274566 - 10/05/06 10:06 AM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: paco]
Benjamin1986 Offline

Registered: 10/17/04
Posts: 611
Loc: Republic of Texas
The only references I can find to John Lee katana are in German, and the Google translator leaves much to be desired.

However, I can tell you that I would be extremely suspicious of any blade whose brand and reputation I did not know. Besides, I do see one problem. Read this translation. A 60/40 Rockwall katana? Even-hardened blades often have hardness of 52-58. Especially for starting with 1095 steel, this is unimpressive, and probably means poor heat treatment. If the result is even hardness along the length of the blade, that's acceptable. However, bad heat treatment tends to leave stress points in the steel.

In short, I need to do more research before I can get a full opinion, but I haven't seen anything to recommend John Lee.
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#274567 - 10/05/06 03:02 PM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: Benjamin1986]
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Registered: 09/11/03
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I'm still stuck back on Chens blades being "super high end."

Good, solid, functional, qualtiy swords for the price.

(least that seems to be the feedback I get)

But "super high end" is a real reach.

If they are considered "super high end" what, pray tell, would they call one of Howard Clarks blades?

"extra, super duper, really, really, special, high, HIGH end blades."

I did battle with ignorance today.......and ignorance won. Huey.

#274568 - 10/06/06 03:18 AM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: Benjamin1986]
paco Offline

Registered: 10/04/06
Posts: 10
hi guys,
u r right. i tried to find some more information on john lee blades and there is really nothing to find except for budoten. i actually don't believe that u can get a real good sword for only 300 bucks. for all i know r real good blades real expensive. the only thing i know about it is, that the john lee blades r made in china like paul chen swords and for all they say in the traditional japanese way. well, labour is extremely cheap in china so, maybe it's possible that the blades r not that bad.

#274569 - 06/03/07 11:34 PM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: paco]
Kieffala Offline

Registered: 06/03/07
Posts: 2
Having met and worked with John Lee this weekend, using one of his edged swords to slice through damp, rolled bamboo (picture available once I get it from the photographer), and purchased an edged sword he designed. I wholeheartedly endorse his swords. He balances them himself, will sharpen them for you if you buy a non-edged sword, lifetime guarantee, etc.

One guy chipped the edge of his sword by catching the bamboo incorrectly, and Lee did not hesitate in going right over, examining the sword, telling the guy he'd fix it or give him a new one if it turned out to be a problem with the blade.

This man is incredibly sought-after as a sword-maker and designer. A sword he made recently sold at auction for over $1 million. He was one of the designers and makers of the huge sword for the Beijing Olympics.

He's just amazing and a great guy. He has a deep martial arts background so he gets at the weaponry from both sides. I don't know that I'd ever buy a combat weight and/or edged sword (any sword really) from anyone else.

#274570 - 06/04/07 02:45 PM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: Kieffala]
cxt Offline
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Registered: 09/11/03
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Thanks for the tip.

There are a number of high quality swordsmiths to chose from.
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#274571 - 06/09/07 10:45 AM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: Charles Mahan]
Alistar Offline

Registered: 06/06/07
Posts: 21
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#274572 - 12/20/07 06:18 AM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: paradoxbox]
ninjaontog123 Offline

Registered: 12/20/07
Posts: 3
dudes, how about musashi swords? they sell hand forged swords that are carbon steel 1054 or sumthing like that. The only issue is the authenticity of rayskins (sa-me).
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#274573 - 12/20/07 11:28 AM Re: are thease swords any good? [Re: ninjaontog123]
Charles Mahan Offline
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All of the Musashi swords that I have seen have had terrible wraps on the tsuka. That alone is enough to make them unusuable in regular day to day training. They simply won't hold up over the long term. Most I've seen wouldn't hold up for more than a few weeks tops. If you put your thumb against part of the wrap and push, it should not move.

Of course, the same can be said of most production swords in the same price range as the Musashi stuff.
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