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#273956 - 07/21/06 11:14 PM Are their any PP that dont cause pain?
Morthica Offline
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Registered: 07/21/06
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Hi, i am called Matt i leave NorthWest England and i am 15. I have just started to read up on PP's, i have looked at all the PP maps that i could find and i must say that some of them are extreme but any way, as being built as i am i tend to draw alot of attention that normally results in me getting hurt.
So i just wonted to ask a few questions that if you could possibly answer i would be immensely greatful.

1. Are their any PP that result in unvolountary muscle rexaling/spasms/tensing. But that do not cause any damage exept minor/moderate pain.
2. Are their are PP that result in a pleasure effect.

I am asking the first question because i have had a knife been pulled on me once or twice and if i could get thme to drop it, well that would help. Or even their arms tensing up but then again anything would help.
I am asking the second question because well i am 15...

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#273957 - 07/22/06 08:01 AM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: Morthica]
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What you get out of the pressure points depends on your intent, and how you apply them. To effect an escape for self defense from a school mate that you don't want to hurt, or to effect a take-down so you can get away, can be done with pressure point assistance to your skills. Your story sounds freightening. In addition to discussing your self defense needs with your instructor, I certainly hope you have involved your parents and the police.
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#273958 - 07/22/06 11:05 AM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: underdog]
Morthica Offline
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Yes i am asking for self defence, i am not the kind of person that likes to cause pain to other people, i would rather disable some one so i can get away then rather disable them and cause high amounts of pain.
And yes i have told my parents.

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#273959 - 07/22/06 12:09 PM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: Morthica]
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OK then, let us look at a single point for you to play with and try in your dojo. Work it from the scenarios I suggest. Then I'll give you another one to experiment with. Experiment and report. Remember that by working a SINGLE point for practice, this is always in conjunction with otherwise good technique! The PP is not magic and will not work without technique.

You are in a standing grapple in close. You and uke are pushing and pulling each other back and forth trying to knock each other down while your hands are on each others shoulders and arms.

(1) Take your thumb over the inside mental foramen of uke's chin. Push it in and down to unlock his neck and make him turn his head. For reference, let us say you did this with your right hand to the right side of his chin.

(2) Then step in close on his right side. With your left hand, grab his belt rolling it over your fist so you can dig into UB 23 or GB 25.

(3) Sweep his right leg with your right leg calf to calf while pivoting toward your own left on your axis.

Uke should go down pretty easily. You shall have used the pressure points, primarily mental foramen, to destabilize uke's posture and stance. You can take him down hard or gently. Your choice! Try it.

Now here is your homework to experiment with for the same mental foramen point. http://www.gwc.maricopa.edu/class/bio201/skull/antskul.htm

On this diagram, the left foramen is clearly visible. Click on the hole and the answer should come up for you in the space. After you find it on the diagram, poke around on your own chin until you are sure you can feel the hole.

Uke has you mounted on the ground. You are face to face. You want to roll him off towards the side. His head is in close or medium close, but close enough for you to be able to reach his head points. Use mental foramen right hand to right side of chin or left to left while trapping the other arm or whatever you decide. Figure it out. How are you going to get him off you using this pressure point to assist you maneuver?
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#273960 - 07/22/06 04:48 PM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: underdog]
Morthica Offline
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Registered: 07/21/06
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I can find the mental foramen with ease, i can find the GB 25 with ease but i am finding it hard to find the UB 23, do you no of any maps that show where abouts it is?

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#273961 - 07/22/06 05:15 PM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: Morthica]
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#273962 - 07/23/06 09:13 AM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: underdog]
Morthica Offline
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Registered: 07/21/06
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It is coming on well, i can do what you told me so far, i am using GB 25 instead of UB 23 though.

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#273963 - 07/24/06 04:18 PM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: Morthica]
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Registered: 02/18/04
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Loc: Woodbury NJ
It is way beyond an explanation over the internet. To disable someone wielding a blade in any type of art takes years of practice and self confidence. Trying to give self defense pointers is one thing but explaining knife disarm is a hands on and lots of active training. One other point, if someone pulls a knife on you your going to have to get over your problem about hurting your attacker, it's a do or die thing son... wake up.
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#273964 - 07/24/06 06:30 PM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: schanne]
underdog Offline
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I don't think we are talking about the same thing but as far as the domain of what YOU are talking about, you are right. Martial arts proficiency and self defense take years of practice and life and death situations require deadly force.

The part I don't get is what is your objection to giving basic information to newbies and trying in good faith to answer questions.


Edited by underdog (07/24/06 06:56 PM)
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#273965 - 07/24/06 09:05 PM Re: Are their any PP that dont cause pain? [Re: underdog]
Morthica Offline
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Registered: 07/21/06
Posts: 5
I dont have a problem with causing pain, i just dont like doing it. I can do it if i need to.

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