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#272494 - 07/20/06 05:01 AM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: mudotkd]
Taison Offline
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Your question about Judo vs Sambo, is like asking "Which one will win between Greco-roman vs Freestyle".

Besides some minor detail, they're almost the same. Sambo is Russian Judo. Except sambo does leg locks, while Judo practitioners are good at throwing from the upperbody, while sambo are good at leg tackles.

Tell me if you figure it out which one is better between Greco-roman and freestyle. If you do, you could probably answer this question as well.

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#272495 - 07/20/06 12:17 PM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: mudotkd]
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I've watched clips and it seems the referees in sambo allow sambo practitioners a better chance and more leeway for grappling.

Sometimes it seems like Judo refs stop it prematurely.. What's with that? And what's with guys that standup voluntarily after hitting the mat even though they did the throwing? *scratches head*




It can be advantageous to have it broken up quickly. At the end of the day, as long as you are trying to get out of it, the ref will let it go. It is good Ne Waza to get out of seemingly tricky situations as fast as possible. Frankly, if you are allowed a long time to get out of a ground hold, that can be a disadvantage. You will get use to taking your time. A sport like Judo makes you act quickly, and if you know you are against the clock, you will practice getting out quicker.

Don't underestimate the impact of the Olympics on Judo too. If you have a 5 minute round, and a potential audience of billions, you can't have 2 players staring at each other on the ground for 45 seconds. People will change channels.

Can I ask mudo, do you find that quick breaks in Ne Waza happen to you, or is this a general observation of Judo?Reason I ask that as a Judo newbie, your Ne Waza will take a little time to get up to power, and so you will find yourself in places you can't get out of at the start of your Judo journey. We all went through it. Most of my early randori was broken up, more times than I care to remember. The longer you practice, the longer uninterrupted randori you will have.
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#272496 - 07/20/06 01:20 PM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: Prizewriter]
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The reason I ask is in most of Judo matches and Judo HL reels I've seen on YouTube or Video Google, there really isn't much newaza. One match I saw ended in a Ippon pin but even that one had its moments where couple of newaza attempts were broken up or they voluntarily stood up.

Other clips were like this too. A lot of times, the competitors stood up voluntarily.

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#272497 - 07/20/06 01:46 PM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: mudotkd]
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Well, I can't say all Judo matches end up being won on the ground. But a lot do.

I don't think that it detracts from Judo. A good school should teach you a) good Ne Waza and b) condition you properly for a good long match or randori situation, whether it be on the ground or standing up. You aren't conditioned to stop when you are on the ground for a certain time. It's just that Judo likes to keep the action going.

Like I said in your other thread re Judo rules, Judoka have handled themselves very well against all grapplers, and the reverse is true. I know the guys who have practiced with Judoka on the MMA/Grappling forums have massive respect for them, and they seem to give as good as they get!

By the by, a thread by someone you might know. Grapplers here seem to think highly of ne waza: http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...ue#Post15852688

In conclusion, Judo has more than enough to help you become a good grappler. As you will know, it's all how you train. If you want to work a lot on your own Ne Waza, as your sensei. A good place to start is Katame no Kata. Practice that along with your other judo training.

I know many judoka who are "ground guys" and will try and take you down ASAP and choke you out. It suits some Judoka more. If it is something you want to do (i.e. a lot of ground work) talk to your sensei.

I would say Judo could live with any grappling style, Sambo or otherwise, on the ground. The breaking up of Judo players does not adversely affect their abilities as grapplers IMHO. You know the techniques, and Judo will condition you to go on as long as it takes.

P.S. The most spectacular thing in Judo is to see an Ippon throw. It is the "money shot", so to speak, hence the large amount of clips on the net of throws. Seeing a judoka hold another in hon-kesa-gatame for 25 seconds isn't just as impressive to the untrained eye! Check out some comps to get a broader view.
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#272498 - 07/28/06 08:58 PM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: Scorchsaber]
Kazama Offline
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Sambo was developed for military combat in Russia, whether standing or on the ground. It is meant to be brutal, quick, and efficient. So if it is Judo vs. Military Sambo, I would put my money on Sambo, just because Judo is mainly used for sport now a days.
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#272499 - 07/29/06 08:22 AM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: Kazama]
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Kazama

I know you are a newb here, so will be gentle with you this time.

There is no way to know for sure who would win, or which is better. Artists make the art. Any number of things could happpen. You are entitled to your opinion, but as you have no experience with Military Sambo (based on another of your posts), and your profile indicates you have no Judo experience (feel free to correct me) then how on earth can you know for sure? None of us can.

Good luck in your Military Sambo search though. If I find anything, I will let you know.
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#272500 - 07/29/06 09:37 AM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: Prizewriter]
Kazama Offline
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Quote:

Kazama

I know you are a newb here, so will be gentle with you this time.

There is no way to know for sure who would win, or which is better. Artists make the art. Any number of things could happpen. You are entitled to your opinion, but as you have no experience with Military Sambo (based on another of your posts), and your profile indicates you have no Judo experience (feel free to correct me) then how on earth can you know for sure? None of us can.

Good luck in your Military Sambo search though. If I find anything, I will let you know.




yep, your right. This was one of the few posts I've made without thinking about what I was saying
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#272501 - 07/29/06 10:00 AM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: Kazama]
Prizewriter Offline
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Ah don't sweat is mate. A light search will reveal many a PW post with lack of thought. So don't worry!
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#272502 - 07/29/06 03:19 PM Re: Judo vs Sambo on the ground [Re: mudotkd]
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As others have said, it's primarily going to depend on the players. And let's not forget the rules. That would very well have a significant impact on the outcome.

Judo doesn't focus on leg locks (to my knowledge) that much, so a Sambo guy would have HUGE advantage if you allow leg locks. Sambo doesn't emphasis chokes, so the Judo player has HUGE advantage there.

Beyond rules, it's all individual talent and how studious each player has been.

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