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#271359 - 07/15/06 07:36 AM Chang Hon Real Applications Book
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I thought some might be interested to know there is a book:

Ch’ang Hon Taekwon-do Hae Sul: Real Applications to The ITF Patterns” by Stuart Anslow.

:that has either just come out or is comming out very soon.

I dont know too much about it yet though it seems interesting.
If any one has any more information on it or even has it,please post.
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#271360 - 07/17/06 01:58 AM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: matxtx]
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Here's a link.

Looks good

http://www.raynerslanetkd.com/
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#271361 - 07/17/06 09:36 PM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: trevek]
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I really enjoyed the article patterns are the missing point. No matter how many times I read it, it's still an eye opener for me. The article entails all te points I ave ever tried to make with regards to patterns in TKD in this forum and all the points sjon, brians,oldman and a few others were trying to get me to understand.
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#271362 - 07/25/06 01:28 PM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: TeK9]
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Ahemmmm .....

Hello, people. Just stopped in on my way back from the beach (¡¿?!), and I have to say:

Looking into my crystal ball, I predict that a new WTF pattern applications book will appear in the relatively near future (2-3 months), although I can't vouch for the integrity of the author ...

Darn, Trev, you caught me back here ...


Edited by sjon (07/25/06 01:30 PM)

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#271363 - 07/26/06 06:27 AM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: sjon]
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By any chance would the author be a member of this forum?

I hope they go into great detail in te descriptions and lots of photo's.
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#271364 - 07/26/06 01:26 PM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: TeK9]
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Quote:

By any chance would the author be a member of this forum?




Yes he would.

Quote:

I hope they go into great detail in te descriptions and lots of photo's.




They fully intend to.

Now I must get back to my temporary exile. I have much to do.
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#271365 - 07/26/06 05:44 PM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: sjon]
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I hope I can get an autographed copy. It would really be cool to show my instructor a book about forms and thier applications and to let him know that the author of the book is someone I have debated on line. To my knowledge there are currently no books on WTF forms and their application in self defense. Plenty of books on form, but no application. I hope your's becomes a top seller, who knows perhaps you will be the new standard for all WTF schools. If that is the case, I'd have to go to spain and have my picture taken with you, because you would be an icon in WTf TKD. This could be a pivital point in which WTF TKD goes from focus on sparring back to a well rounded art which focuses both on sparring and self defense.

You may even get an honorary 5th dan from the WTF. Ofcourse I bet they would still charge you $500+

-Tek
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#271366 - 07/28/06 10:47 AM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: matxtx]
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I have this book. I have to say that it is my favorite book on TKD. It has me thinking about the ITF hyungs in a new way and TKD in general in a new way. If you have not already then you should buy this. Great book.

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#271367 - 08/02/06 01:47 PM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: mcmillintkd]
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Whats so good about the book? Does it show direct applications for each movement? How, altered are the tecniques in order to work in a self defense application? Are the directions easy to follow? WHat are the illustrations like? Are the small nuances of the techniques disussed or even mentioned? Many times in the martial arts it is not the big noticable moves that make the difference but the small behind the scenes techniques which make the big ones work. A good example of this can be seen in aikido, judo and grappling systems where it may seem that force and power is being used against an attack when infact it is the attackes own momentum that is being used against him. Perhaps it is not the throw or arm lever which made the opponent fall or submit, but the small wrist or finger twist which was done durring the big movmenets actions. These small tecniques are often not scene and in may books over looked by the authors. I have personally found that in many step sparring a.k.a. one-three step sparring. The exercises are missing that smal feint or tiny jolt type of technique which allows the big ones to work. Sure the techniques combine may seem sound and infact they are, but against a willing opponent who is alowing you to train on. They are not so simple against a resisting opponenet who does not know your intentions. And that is where the real martial arts take place. The little things that make the big techniques work.

Sjon,

I hope your taking notes my friend. Your book should address this issue.

That is why when I bought Hee Il Cho's book on step sparring, i only took the few which looked reasonably applicable, however, I have to add in the lack of techniques which actually make it work in a real scenerio. Ofcourse it is all subjective.
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#271368 - 08/02/06 05:18 PM Re: Chang Hon Real Applications Book [Re: TeK9]
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Tek,

Although I agree with some of the things you said, the other thing is how the technique doesn't HAVE to be the actual technique that is in the form. First off, if you are not familiar with the ITF patterns and have not seen the book (and I haven't seen it but would like to), I would not be so quick to tell the author to take notes (he may ask you what you have published). It'sO.K. to critique, but know what you are critiquing. As I had mentioned above, the technique does not have to be the actual technique from the pattern, but can be utilized in the set up for multiple applications (this is how I break them down to their practicality). The downward block could be a release, the finger tip thrust could be a grab to pull in for a knee strike or elbow smash. The slide back with a strike could be feint or side step. I the moves are not all cut and dry, and I do agree that there should be some explanation about the smaller unnoticable movements or techniques that make the bigger ones work. However, I think the difference with this book versus your SD book is the explanation of the application rather than a how to. Again, I will be looking for it as so I can see it. sjon, will it be in book stores or is it only available on-line ?

VDJ

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