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#270057 - 07/12/06 07:33 AM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: HiddenFist]
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I am curious, what breaks on the heavy bag? the chain, stand, bag itself. Can you elaborate on that?
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#270058 - 07/12/06 11:52 AM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: JasonM]
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Usually the bag itself will tear open, sometimes it busts at the seams. It depends on the bag. On occasion a chain link has been snapped, but that's aside from the bag itself breaking.

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#270059 - 07/12/06 12:35 PM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: ANDY44]
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Hello

Please check this site

http://www.jundokan.jp/english/album.htm

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#270060 - 07/12/06 12:41 PM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: HiddenFist]
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Ok, so is that on the first hit? The reason I ask is because I am a skeptic by nature and yet not denying your claim, I find it hard to believe it happened with the first blow or even at all. I have has a 100lb canvas bag, for about 15 years. It has been through weather, water damage and a good pounding. It does not even have a tear. Opps, I do, but that is when I stabbed it once as a youth. I don't think it is the blows themselves but probably the rock, moving and shaking the bag endures while hanging. But like I said, my canvas bag has been through nature, time, and physical abuse and still keep on a ticking. Maybe your seniors should invest in leather or something of higher quality. IMO.
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#270061 - 07/12/06 01:24 PM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: MikeC]
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Hello

Please check this site

http://www.jundokan.jp/english/album.htm




Thanks for the video. That was very interesting, but why were those karate guys doing Wing Chun?

Still really not seeing a reason to hit trees and whatnot instead of a bag.
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#270062 - 07/12/06 02:36 PM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: HiddenFist]
ANDY44 Offline
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Hi

Perhaps the monks didnt hit the trees to hard I dont know but either way,

Perhaps your bags are meant to rip
for ego building.

If you can show me a vidio of you hitting any tree full power and still having your hand intact then I shall consider jumping on a plane and joining your training methods.

Note I said full power. As in very hard.


I will even plant my own tree on arrival cos by the time I reach(should I ever) your extremely high standards it will have grown big enough.

Meanwhile I shall practice on the growing twigs.

I shall dispose of any tools I have for chopping trees and become a lumber jack using only my bear hands( yep the incorrect spelling is intended)


Better still how about also showing the development of your hands or you seniors hands again on a vidio.

If you can again show on vidio a bag being bust then let us all see. I mean people do show breaking on you tube.

Regards my punch /hand devlopement.


Maa wahhhhh

Uhhhmmmmm.

What are they meant to do?

My feet are good for walking/running on
My hands are good for most things.
What are they conditioned to do?
yeah!!!!

Sensei!!!!!!!

ous!!



You might be able to punch a tree very lightly but i cant see the point of that.So do you have any insite in to the original tekki?
and bunkia?

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#270063 - 07/12/06 02:38 PM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: ANDY44]
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#270064 - 07/12/06 02:40 PM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: HiddenFist]
ANDY44 Offline
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Usually the bag itself will tear open, sometimes it busts at the seams. It depends on the bag. On occasion a chain link has been snapped, but that's aside from the bag itself breaking.

Well then poss the bag has been outside that long that the chain has rusted and snapped,and the material is also no use.

Theres your answer.

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#270065 - 07/12/06 05:21 PM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: MattJ]
MikeC Offline
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Registered: 09/23/05
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They were doing Okinawa Goju Ryu Jundokan Miyazato-Ha. It is interesting you would think that

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#270066 - 07/12/06 05:38 PM Re: makawari or heavy bag.....or both? [Re: MikeC]
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Registered: 07/04/06
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MIKE C,
thank you for sharing that video and shedding some light on the subject.
In regards to all the other stuff,
The bags were all new, and usually leather or canvas. My hands are fine and my instructors hands are all fine as well.
I can strike a tree with full force and not break anything.
This is also not limited to strictly the fists. this also includes forearms,elbows, forehead, knees, shins/insteps/ and the ball,blade,heel and arch of the feet.
On a final note, if I were to video tape an actual tree training session, or even one of our higher ups destroying a bag, what would keep you from then claiming the videos were fakes? I won't waste the time or money.

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