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#269460 - 07/05/06 12:00 PM Hard wing chun sparring/fighting
ShikataGaNai Offline
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I hear so much naysaying on WC because of a lack of hard sparring. I also hear just as much noise indicating that many practitioners do spar hard and that there is wc training for military, FBI, LEO, etc. that is very hard and aggresive. My own sifu says that he is favorable of hard sparring (and cross training with ground/clinch arts), but since there are many noobs, sparring will not commence till at least september. I've also heard talk of fighters modifying WC for vale tudo style comps (using only about 50% of the system and substituting more ring tactics).
Anyway, if anyone knows where I can obtain info, clips, pics etc of serious full-steam wc, please post it. I want to see more of how the techniques are applied in actual fight situations. NOTE: I know NOTHING works on the Big Bad Street, except for all the techniques Prizewriter listed in another thread.

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#269461 - 07/05/06 02:13 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Well for actual hard sparring video clips there are not many out there.
Although recently a Wing Tsun club called Meihua who teach Wing Tsun applied a new scheme called Koong-Sao. Their website is:

http://www.meihua.ee/en

It is quite good stuff although it just proves that when actually fighting you forget your actual movements and just box with them. For a clip:

Video

This is only a taster if you go on the website at the top you can download the various video clips from the past years.
Also we have hosted a type of fight club where only very enthusiastic members can come and spar. Shh first rule of fight club don't talk about it. (oops) lol. It went very well I was so surprised as it really kicks your adrenaline in and you just forget techniques and just want to break your opponents neck. lol
I will upload one to youtube if my internet stops messing around.
Hope this helps.
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#269462 - 07/05/06 02:33 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: Tezza]
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Video Clip

There we go I uploaded one to you tube if it makes it easier.
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#269463 - 07/05/06 04:15 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: Tezza]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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That was some rough stuff! I could only imagine if they had integrated some judo/bjj...
I could pick out some techniques in there - chain punches all over, lap sao, pak sao and a few good bong saos and some others I don't know the name of. Thanks!

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#269464 - 07/05/06 04:21 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: Tezza]
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Hardcore! Good clips!
The only thing that bugged me a bit was the lack of control. Kicking someone in the head while they are on the ground doesn't require a whole lot of skill if you ask me.
I have a ton of respect for anyone that goes after their training this hard.
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#269465 - 07/05/06 04:27 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: Fisherman]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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So do you think if you had trained your body in WC so well that you could tan sao as automatically as an MMA fighter could pull guard or throw a jab, you could use it to win over a fighter with less control? I'm not trying to start any BS criticism of TMA vs. MMA or any of that

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#269466 - 07/05/06 06:52 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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It looked like bad mma.

If you were going to train MMA, just train MMA.

All I saw were examples of bad clinch work and no leg attack (takedowns). It seemed like the only thing they were trying to throw was the straight blast and the push kick.

It was missing a few vital elements such as good clinch control and good (skilled) ground fighting.


-John

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#269467 - 07/05/06 09:01 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: JKogas]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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Anything can look like MMA, especially bad MMA if you wanted it to. Why would you want to train MMA if the point of sparring is to learn how to use WC under pressure? I'll admit that it was sloppy and out of control, but it's the same thing I see in sparring with boxing, kali, BJJ and yes, even MMA - technique goes out the window when the heat is on. Is this always the case? NO. But it is until students can program their bodies to react quickly with effective techniques. Whatever. I didn't post this to talk about MMA anyway

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#269468 - 07/05/06 10:15 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Was merely stating my opinion. Next time you dont want anyone's opinions just f*cking say as much.



-John

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#269469 - 07/05/06 11:24 PM Re: Hard wing chun sparring/fighting [Re: JKogas]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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wow

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