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#269437 - 07/05/06 11:47 AM Yonkyo
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Not sure if any of the regulars in this section have any Aikido experience, but the closest I have come to the application of pressure points in practice is the wrist control Yonkyo.

For the uninitiated, this is a wrist hold designed such that the inside knuckle of your first finger rests on a spot about a hand-width's up on your "victims" arm from his hand, on the thumb-side of the wrist just on the inside from the bone.

Well-delivered, this generates excruciating pain.

My question is whether this is a spot recognised by "pressure-point" literate students - if so, what else is there to know about it - I'm interested to know whether TCM or pressure-point oriented approaches could add anything to my relatively mechnical implementation of the technique.

cheers

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#269438 - 07/05/06 12:29 PM Re: Yonkyo [Re: Shepster]
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Small Intestine 5 is a release point for the wrist that can be used with Yonkyo and I've had some pretty nasty fire/metal stuff done on my poor little girlie wrists. Yon I sure wristtwister will have a hell of a lot more to say on the subject though!

Gav

Edit: Forgot to mention the metal part! Have play with Large Intestine 3 aswell... firing this two in together will give you that fire/metal ouchy sensation that'll make you drop like a rock!


Edited by Gavin (07/05/06 12:33 PM)
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#269439 - 07/05/06 12:46 PM Re: Yonkyo [Re: Gavin]
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Gav -

Could you give a example of what you mean by "firing this two in together"? Do you mean they should be hit simultaneously or in combination?
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#269440 - 07/05/06 12:59 PM Re: Yonkyo [Re: MattJ]
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When you grab you squeeze them in together. You can actually do this do yourself. Hold your hand, fingers together, palm down with your thumb sticking out. Now do the same with the right hand only have it palm facing up. Now slide you right hand under the left with the fingers of the right hand pointing out of the radial side of the left hand so that slot nicely together. If you squeeze you should able to cover both SI5 and LI3. Tilting the right hand forward will compress you left wrist on the radial side amd cause a bit more pain. Add some complex torgue (a spiral in or just a simple circle) will take the pain even further.

That's probably the worst possible explanation ever... Sorry!
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#269441 - 07/05/06 01:09 PM Re: Yonkyo [Re: Gavin]
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Heh. Looking at the chart for the Si5 point, I thought it was on the jaw.
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#269442 - 07/05/06 01:12 PM Re: Yonkyo [Re: MattJ]
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Look at the picture on the left you muppet... the big white arrow gives it away! It's on the radial edge of the wrist. Either that or you're gonna need bloody big hands to cover a point on the hand and one on the head!
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#269443 - 07/05/06 05:54 PM Re: Yonkyo [Re: Gavin]
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I discussed this on another thread some time ago (#15849646 ) and gave "non-kyusho" instructions about doing yonkyo. I don't like to "cross over" the discussion between hitting Points x and y and aikido technique because they are done off differing theories of execution.

Where the kyusho version of it is hitting metal and fire points simultaneously, the idea of aikido application is extending ki into the radial nerve. If you "support the elbow", it traps the energy at the point of application and gives the uke the heartwarming feeling that brings tears to their eyes...

I love yonkyo... it's my favorite nerve technique... that's where I got my nickname "Dr. Pain"

If you follow the instructions in that previous thread, you can squeeze your forefinger and thumb against the wrist and do a perfect "kyusho" technique (especially at the heart meridian side) of the wrist.

Squeeze slowly... and enjoy...

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#269444 - 07/05/06 08:28 PM Re: Yonkyo [Re: Gavin]
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Yonkyo (tekubi shime) can be done on many places, but is more commonly an attack on the radial nerve 1 "cun" (approx 1") up from LU7 toward LU6.

SI3 is on the distal branch of the ulna nerve. If you're talking about an SI3/LI3 combo, it would be more applicable to nikyo and sankyo.

You can use yonkyo to attack the ulna nerve, but I would use the "point" approx 1 "cun" up from H4...

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#269445 - 07/06/06 05:23 AM Re: Yonkyo [Re: eyrie]
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Doh! Could you tell I'm not a Akidoka? Could you also tell that I'm having major difficulties with my anatomy in my Shiatsu studies and continually being the dunce of the theory classes? Luckily I've got another two and a half years before my A & P exam. Very very lucky!

Cheers for the correction mate... just goes to show where the holes in my knowledge are, I know where to squeeze but buggered if I could tell you what I'm squeezing!
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#269446 - 07/06/06 11:13 AM Re: Yonkyo [Re: Gavin]
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LOL @ Gavin

re: squeezing... as long as you don't have to chew your arm off after!

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