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#269210 - 07/09/06 06:41 PM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: senseiaverywax]
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Hi

Its none of my business but if you have this knowlege have you ever given any thought of putting it on paper?

I practice karate. I try to take it back to what I think it was meant to be as opposed to physical fitness and sport karate. I study with other people who have the same goal.

It would be great if that could be done.


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#269211 - 07/09/06 07:39 PM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: senseiaverywax]
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Senseiaverywax -

Would you consider video taping yourself performing the kata? If you have no means to upload it to www.youtube.com or something similar, I'm sure you could send it to someone here on the forum who could.

I'm sure many people here would like to see it, especially if you could discuss the bunkai here as well.
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#269212 - 07/09/06 08:26 PM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: MattJ]
senseiaverywax Offline
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Sorry,

I only teach by direct transmission. Real Karate can not be learned by a video or from reading a book. You must experience karate training to learn.

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#269213 - 07/09/06 08:29 PM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: senseiaverywax]
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I do not charge for lessons and I have never given any money for lesson my self! nor have I ever bought any rank(paid money to be tested)!

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#269214 - 07/10/06 12:54 AM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: senseiaverywax]
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Well said Sensei Avery Wax. I agree 100%.

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#269215 - 07/10/06 09:11 AM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: medulanet]
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Med,

I've been thinking about your question on the application of the Gojushiho knee block at the opening of the 'older' versions.

Logically it may be important not to start looking at what the hands are doing.

The kata begins with stepping(stomping) out with the left foot and dropping to the right knee as the block/strike is delivered.

The more important uses of the technique section may well involved the hidden aspect everyone misses, the stomp or the leg trap takedown using the intitial stepping/stomping movmeent

** amendment ** Going back through my notes into a fractal analsysis of this technique, there are also both using the initial stepping movement as a shin parry for a kick (a common Okinawan technique) before dropping down, and of course a 'hidden' front front kick, both of which are additional ways to drop or deflect an opponent setting them up for the completion of the technique **

Full study of a technique application potential involves looking past the beginning answers.

After all most of us would not choose to drop to a knee to stop a kick, on the other hand if our stepping motion traps their leg and forces them down, dropping down to complete a lock or strike makes sense too.


Edited by Victor Smith (07/10/06 10:21 AM)
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#269216 - 07/10/06 11:24 AM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: Victor Smith]
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Yet another Okinawan version of Gojushiho is at
http://www.okinawabbtv.com/culture/karate_top.htm

It's the 2nd form from the top on the left hand side.
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#269217 - 07/10/06 11:54 AM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: Victor Smith]
ANDY44 Offline
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Victor.
HI
I dont read Japanese or okinawan so can you tell me please which is the kata vidio?

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#269218 - 07/10/06 12:03 PM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: senseiaverywax]
ANDY44 Offline
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Hi
I see your point but some people couldnt make a journey because of distance,finance, and work committements.

I am very interested in what you say and realy would like to see perhaps sketches?

If that was possable?

I think perhaps in the old days kata was taught person to person but well it is up to your self.

Either way I would realy like to see your knowledge and indeed poss learn it.

Thanks

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#269219 - 07/10/06 12:14 PM Re: Origins of Gojushiho [Re: ANDY44]
Victor Smith Offline
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Where the screen shows two columns of video, Gojushiho is the 2nd one from the top on the left.

But to be sure they first show "54" on the screen when it runs, and 54 is literallly Goju(5)Shi(4) Ho(Steps).

Hope that helps.
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